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    Jear77 8 months ago

    That was supposed to read “or is it only certain members of the greatet whole”

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    • griz 8 months ago

      @Jear77
      If we take the analogy of a human body, insufficient sensitivity causes endangerment to first the extremities and then to the core. This is seen in the disease of leprosy.

      But over-sensitivity is perhaps more dire. The brain that cannot turn off stimuli very quickly self-destructs (an analogy to various chemical nerve poisons).

      The over-sensitivity in our society starts with certain members of a greater whole. But there is a principle from Piaget’s work called (iirc), “The Equilibrated State) — wherein a personal dysfunction in a sufficient number of the population, becomes a social dysfunction.
      And political correctness/victimhood olympics/grievance theory is certainly gaining momentum in our society.

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  2. immortal_pirate 8 months ago

    Grow some skin snow flake.

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      Jear77 8 months ago

      @immortal_pirate i already have some… or at least more than others. I was talking about a patron at work who was at the verge of tears because they had guards be “rude” to them (which knowing my coworkers is not very likely. It’s far more likely that this lady had other stuff going on that had nothing to do with myself or my coworker). If you know you’re that emotionally unstable… perhaps it’s not a good idea to go out at all.

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      • immortal_pirate 8 months ago

        @Jear77 Actually, I wasn’t referring to you specifically as the snow flake. I was just making a general statement.

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    • ladybarbara 8 months ago

      @immortal_pirate Yep, that is what we do to be less sensitive. Let it roll off of you like water off the feathers of a duck.

      If someone criticizes you and you let it hurt you, then there is something to it. Your reaction is to make corrections to yourself, or choose not to. However, you own your own choice of action, or inaction. If the criticism doesn’t ring true, then simply consider the source and move on. Let it roll off and continue on with your life. You have a choice in how you react to criticism. Grow a tougher shell.

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  3. Weenis 8 months ago

    Yes. As a society we’re far too sensitive.

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  4. Yin 8 months ago

    I don’t think it is. There are some who may take it too far, but I think it is fine as a whole. Our society is evolving. The internet helped that, for good and not. Physical harm isn’t the only kind of harm. I understand where people are coming from when they say words shouldn’t hurt you, but it just isn’t true for a lot of people. We overwhelmingly believe phrases like “I love you” have such meaning and is good for a person to hear, but we are just going to say that words can’t do the opposite? We are pretty accepting to the idea that someone’s parents never saying they love their kid could have negative effects on the kid, but how if words, or lack thereof, don’t matter? Words do matter. Always has, always will. People just dislike the societal change happening, which I kind of get since change can be hard. Overall though, if we want a more civil society, it is a needed change.

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    • griz 8 months ago

      @Yin
      The caution there is something akin to what the ancient Egyptians identified more than 15,000 years ago — that terrible things happen to the society when we don’t pay proper attention and speak the truth.
      And in recent history, there were enough people who thought Nazism even in its advancing stages was “fine as a whole”. And a LOT of people who thought Marxism was “fine as a whole” even after it was well underway as an oppressive murderous regime. And it continued to be “fine” for them, until it swept them up in it’s destructive engine.

      It’s not so much that words “shouldn’t” hurt you. It’s obvious that they have the potential to. What one shouldn’t do, is allow those hurts to become infected and abscess. Which is exactly what the victimhood olypmics people are doing — and are actively teaching young people to do in our Universities and colleges — WITH public money.

      Words matter. That is why the victimhood identitarian movement is so passionate about controlling them. But they end up using the threat of “these words (re-defined by them) MIGHT cause some non-descript and as of yet unrealized hurt . . . to actively hurt people: to render them infantilized and less capable of shrugging of perceived insult or offense.
      And such a person is just unstable an incompetent as an adult.

      Who then need uber-powerful agencies over them to “protect them” from even the fear of possibly being hurt. And this is the very thing that if we are not paying attention to or talking truthfully about, will destroy the civilization as surely as Seth or Tiamat (the Babylonian variant of the same cautionary story).

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  5. Scarlett2 8 months ago

    I mostly agree with @yin. We are not too sensitive, and in fact, there is new evidence that shows the prevalence of trauma in the society has been scientifically proven to cause a host of other issues down the line. These ensuing issues actually cost the society money, so for those who are fiscally conservative, they might want to think about that.
    Recently, new research shows that many children formerly diagnosed with add or adhd actually were the victims of trauma and their symptoms mock true adhd.

    if anything, we need to be sensitive to our own and other issues. This does not equate to being a victim one’s entire life as some on this site would suggest. There is a middle place between “suck it up snowflake” and living one’s life as a victim. There is a place where we can acknowledge our own and others trauma, heal it, and then hopefully grow from it.

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    • griz 8 months ago

      @Scarlett2
      I don’t think “sensitive”, has to mean emotively sensitive. (That can be a part — but that “part” has been WAY out-of-whack for decades — as if the ability to emote over something was a virtue)

      We can be sensitive, as in not failing to recognize things are a problem. But it’s when we emote all over them that millions of dollars are wasted with “fixes” that are aimed more at placating the feelings of “the emotively sensitive” than fixing underlying problems.

      Most of our “social fixes” of the 20th Century, have been emotive fixes that not only didn’t solve the problem; not only spun off unforeseen and very costly side-effects; but tended to make the original condition worse.

      Let’s remember the Cambridge Somerville Youth Study, LBJ’s ‘Great Society’ initiative, most education reforms, Bush’s “No Child Left Behind” initiative to name just a very few. Net effects? Delinquent and criminal behavior in the target communities actually increase. Black single motherhood increased from 17% to 78% in just a few years and single mothers essentially became “married” to the state and fewer fathers at home than ever before (no “marrying the government if there was a man about); keeping problem children in the mainstream system retarded it for everyone, causing America’s education standards to drop like a rock by world standards. Fewer boys than ever before pursuing post-secondary education. Oh, and let’s not forget the “gender-sensitive” bathrooms being the place where most women and children report being assaulted/raped (I saw those stats just the other day). Oh, and true sufferers of Gender Dysphoria (the 0.03% of the population, as described by the DM5) being far worse off for being so much in the spotlight at the behest of the trans-trenders).

      The cost is in people thinking with their emotions, over-estimating just how clever they are in being able to monkey in simplistic ways with an insanely complex societal structure, and in factions that initiate the poorly-conceived initiative not taking responsibility for the folly that comes from them — is HUGE.

      We really do seem to have a hard time with “trauma”. As in, we don’t know how to heal. And personally I think this ties Spiritually into the idea of not being able to forgive. (remembering that I’ve given my definition of what forgiveness is many times on-group. It differs from what most people tend to think it is — but upon reflection a lot of people tend to agree with the definition I offered).

      And I would suggest the person (child especially) that is told over and over and over how traumatized and victimize they “must be” . . . sets about making it so. Even to far exceeding any original trauma that may be.

      We are FOOLS if we think we are going to be able to “mitigate trauma” by initiating “playpens” for the mind where we can keep everything that enters it soft and fuzzy. Or “thought-control”. Or “hateful word control”. Remember, we CANNOT relegate competent adults to “mother’s playpen for the mind” and not reap a whirlwind backlash.

      What we need to do is work on telling people they are far stronger and less fragile than they think. Because then that is what they set about making so.

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  6. immortal_pirate 8 months ago

    Words have action…

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      Jear77 8 months ago

      @immortal_pirate while I don’t exactly like trump’s actions/ words, i don’t melt down… Unlike one of my friends. Maybe if i met him (trump) things’d be different.

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    • griz 8 months ago

      @immortal_pirate
      Yikes! That “pink pussy hat” ate her brains and then detonated!

      If you train yourself to not react self-destructively to words, you can walk through the world in control.

      If you don’t, even in a world that is 99% “mother’s controlled thought-and-action playpen”, an encounter with that 1% will render you totally out-of-control.

      I don’t have time to hunt quotes right now, but I think it was Winston Churchill to said something to the effect that to pronounce to the world that you are offended is proclaim you are not competently in control of your emotions and therefore “require” everyone else to exercise control for you.

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  7. immortal_pirate 8 months ago

    …and then there’s this…

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    • griz 8 months ago

      @immortal_pirate
      And let’s not forget that the ability to be offended . . . . is NOT a virtue.

      It’s a weakness. One that plays into a group psychopathy that the “silent majority” are really really getting sick of.

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  8. Scarlett2 8 months ago

    I would also like to add that there seems to be a new trend in our society of making fun of triggers, and I have even seen it on this site. trauma is real and happens across a wide spectrum. Help a survivor or leave them be, but don’t tell them they don’t have trauma or make fun of triggers.

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      Jear77 8 months ago

      @Scarlett2 that’s one of the things that @griz says is more harmful than not. He says in to get over the hurt, you can’t allow yourself to be triggered or as much each time, because if you do, eventually it’ll become core/ central to your identity, and the idea of victimhood is a symptom of the toxic feminism having taken root in your life.

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      • Scarlett2 8 months ago

        @Jear77 yes, I know what he says and I find it quite ridiculous. Triggers aren’t something that you “allow” as you wish them to happen upon you. That is absolutely ludicrous. A sign of mental health is when you are aware of the triggers and you know what to do to calm them. Using mindfulness techniques can help lessen the triggers power on you over time. A sign of mental health is the more rapidly you return to equilibrium after you experience a trigger. Pretending like trigger don’t happen or “sucking them up” lead to people going around very unaware and engaging in other unhealthy behaviors to numb the pain.

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    • griz 8 months ago

      @Scarlett2
      We’ve become far too coddling which actually weakens the victim in the long run. The only permanent securities (assets) we have is the ability to contend with hardship (including trauma) and to adapt. But these are the very thing victims are encouraged to sabotage in themselves. (Because if they heal and adapt, they can no longer claim the power of that “group identity” — and to the abused individual, that is like having no identity, nor the ability to generate one).

      Victimhood ideology teaches not only that you can stay in a state where even random innocent things trigger you into emotionally functional uselessness . . . but that this is a “desired” state for the power it grants you “group victim power”.
      Which is increasingly and aggressively dominating common sense, politics, education, entertainment, most news outlets. . . .

      I would argue that the sign of mental health is when one can show little outward sign that they are “triggered” (even if in severe cases, that means excusing oneself until composure is regained). We REALLY need to be wary of normalizing emotionally dysfunctional states. There is no shame in having experienced trauma, or in it generating a mental/emotional imbalance or even outright psychological illness.

      The shame comes in celebrating it as some kind of empowering identity and using it to try to control others by blurring the lines between emotions, thoughts, and reality — and then applying to mob actions against the society.
      This is nothing but shameful.

      Part of growing up means facing harsh realities. This is one of them.
      If you let your emotive states (justified or not) control you . . . they will control you. Meaning you will not be in control of yourself.

      It is becoming more and more evident that coddling these pathological states and arraying people into victimhood olympics groups only causes it to go from bad to worse.

      There is a growing body of first-hand evidence on various social media platforms showing this is rapid spinning out-of-control. (#killallmen, #ibatheinmaletears)
      I hear people saying that these are are extremes and should not be taken as the norm. But I believe it was the famous developmental psychologist Jean Piaget who observed that a mental illness in enough individuals in a society, becomes a social illness.

      If we are not already there, we’re knocking at the door.

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  9. 2Thrash 8 months ago

    I’m very defensive so I probably fall under the sensitive crew. But mostly, I don’t care much what others do so maybe that would be the response to have to be less sensitive about other people’s actions.

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  10. five2one 8 months ago

    There is no “we”, with “me”.

    I am not part of this society. My society is of angels. My extended family, my friends, my coworkers.

    My own self.

    I am not American.

    I am not of planet earth.

    Yet, planet earth, I make my home, by force. And, I will make this world, as my own people want, and demand.

    Do I care for those left out and persecuted by the beast of the powers of this world? Yes, I do.

    So, I shall protect them. We shall protect them.

    We, are stronger and more, and more powerful then they are.

    We shall rise up the ‘nothings of this world’ to ‘shame the strong’.

    I love to brag about this, and say it before it happens.

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