I was thinking about things that made me happy as a kid (a new box of crayons, a pile of sand, that page on the right side of a notebook that was fresh and flat and ready for anything…) and I was wondering about why those things made me feel so good and how I’m sure I would respond similarly even now just because I would feel that twinge of nostalgia.

I’m sitting in a sun room. It is sunny outside. I can hear birds. See green sprouting everywhere and feel joy as an extension for a sense of gratitude that lies at its foundation.

Is joy and gratitude a part of the same thing? Do you need one to have the other?

PS; Googling Pure Joy pics might be one of the best ways to start a day




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  1. Jear77 2 years ago

    What is gratitude? One definition states
    the quality of being thankful; readiness to show appreciation for and return kindness.

    What is joy? Happiness/ one of the fruits of the spirit.

    So it is an interesting observation.

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  2. DarkSun 2 years ago

    I think the default is to have happiness without gratitude. One reason for that is because gratitude seems to be a social oriented emotion where there needs to be someone to be grateful to.

    Everyone who hasn’t killed themselves, basically exist everyday because God does give them some joy and happiness in their hearts, is my take.

    But, this goes uncredited.

    Real, authentic happiness I usually see outside of people I know, is because of material benefits. The super rich may often not be very happy, but certainly there are times when they are extremely happy.

    This they chalk up entirely their own abilities and efforts. Almost invariably. Which means, again, it goes uncredited.

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    • Jear77 2 years ago

      Could the gratitude that you say that is missing simply be expressed in an way that you may not recognize? Specially in that those who have it all realize that they could just as easily lose it, and thus work all that much harder to keep it.

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      • DarkSun 2 years ago

        Could the gratitude that you say that is missing simply be expressed in an way that you may not recognize? Specially in that those who have it all realize that they could just as easily lose it, and thus work all that much harder to keep it.

        Gratitude to who? God?

        Again, I am speaking generally here. There certainly are some rich people who are good.

        Also, again, I am talking about an area I have experience in.

        I grew up pretty rich, and in a very rich neighborhood. The major public schools I went to were very wealthy, and the private schools I went to largely had very wealthy kids.

        I do not get the impression from what your statement is saying that you have really given this much thought, nor that you have had much experience with the filthy rich.

        Here’s the idea of many who are quite wealthy: there should be no health care for those who are poor, because poverty is a sign of moral failing. Really, it is because they don’t give a fuck.

        When they do give, again, they blow trumpets and give what, to them, are nickles and pennies, for major acclaim.

        All of that is bullshit.

        It is bullshit for them personally. They literally are in a super aggressive rat race, running by bad instruction codes.

        This idea that super wealthy people are scared of losing their wealth, that this is some form of gratitude… what?

        People who are greedy are very very centered on keeping their assets, which they worship. They are generally neurotic in their behavior towards money. Either they spend too crazy or they save too crazy. Either way, they are not getting anything but a contact high from the drug they get from materialism.

        Morally, it is equal to if they were dope fiends. Dope fiends die much faster, but does it really matter? They know way greater “joy” then any billionaire ever would know.

        Is it something to have much materialism? Sure.

        But, that party ends. Invariably. And then, the pain from the loss is magnitudes worse for them. This is the general principle for sin, in general.

        Those who do not go to jail for fraud and many other such crimes, losing it all, lose it all when they die.

        If they no longer have an afterlife, they are lucky. But, then, who cares.

        But, no, of course, the bad ones, who are the norm, don’t give a fuck about others or the poor or anyone. It is really hard to argue otherwise in a day and age where 1% of the population owns 85% of the world’s wealth.

        It sounds like you have really been suckered.

        Really, if you want to spare your self a lot of pain, don’t aim for riches. Go straight to the heroin needle. That course is far wiser.

        Either way, *snap of finger*, life is over, boom.

        As a generally happy person, who, at times, probably several times a week, at least, I know extraordinary happiness… I say this.

        I have had money and not. Looks and not. All that crap, is no way to obtain happiness.

        Also, FYI, rich assholes are some of the most miserable of people on the planet.

        But, do they have time periods where they are insanely happy? Kind of. I mean, they basically have some times where they get their pleasures. But these are short, empty pleasures.

        The best of them, have dead eyes.

        Their smiles are usually always fake, and when not, still, dead eyed folks, smiling because, effectively, their wang or clit just got rubbed.

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      • Jear77 2 years ago

        Why can’t gratitude be generic? To one’s position in life? To the very fact that the person in question has the skills to do the job, because rhey got “the luck of the draw,” due to genetics? To the fact that s/he is employed when others are not by the fact that they had good upbringing, and contacts? But these ideas don’t necessarily mean that there is a need of a so

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      • DarkSun 2 years ago

        Why can’t gratitude be generic? To one’s position in life? To the very fact that the person in question has the skills to do the job, because rhey got “the luck of the draw,” due to genetics? To the fact that s/he is employed when others are not by the fact that they had goodupbringing, and contacts? But these ideas don’t necessarily mean that there is a need of a so

        Gratitude to who? God?

        Okay, so I can tell you: luck of draw I was born so god damned pretty. And rich. And smart, which is where I especially have excelled in life. And so, skilled.

        You are a grown up. You should start realizing these things.

        I suppose, that, in order to persuade you on this, I would have had to have spent my skills then or now on becoming a billionaire. Then, I would get credibility from you.

        And folks like you.

        Though, not any good that would do me still, as that credibility is shallow as shallow can get.

        You can be a sucker and throw it to the luck of the draw all you want…

        Reality is, the Lord provides. And God provides generously even to the most undeserving.

        Nothing quite like filling up people’s pockets only to inevitably take it all away.

        Where, for you, especially, the later is worth noting.

        As you need to grasp that.

        I am waiting for my real inheritance. Which has already started to come pouring in.

        But “luck of the draw”, heh… no.

        You misunderstood the very fundamental of the setup here.

        It certainly is about giving a lot of folks credit they can not pay back.

        So, they can eventually find themselves… in a difficult situation.

        The apocalypse is all about accounting and getting all the bills paid.

        We don’t want their money. We want their souls.

        It is a … most profitable business.

        I expect global domination soon.

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  3. eric 2 years ago

    If I’m driving and perform a maneuver deemed as ‘reckless endangerment,’ the following rush of endorphins might be interpreted as joy. Once the high is over, I might pat the dashboard and say ‘you are a good girl’ – as I would my secretary on the butt. The secretary is androgynous by the way. Your move SJWs.

    In that moment, or later as I write a comment about why I enjoy driving or appreciate the access to the car I drive, it makes sense that I would first identify the efforts of the people involved in the design and engineering of the mechanicals that provide the control and balance to make me feel in such a way. I suppose it is appropriate to call this gratitude. Even if I am just saying ‘yes, I recommend this car.’

    I think there is a logical path from joy to gratitude that may not always be obvious or recognized. Maybe it is forced because we want there to be a connection. Or societal pressures lead us to express gratitude because if we don’t, the lack of action could be labeled ‘rude,’ or something like that.

    Mostly I think it is simply being cognizant of things. Like, are you paying attention and making the conscious effort to understand how and why things ‘might be?’ Doesn’t that interest you? Or did someone just post something to Instagram and your mind isn’t even operating above 1 psi (the limit is 62 psi).

    Also, there is some subjectivity to joy and gratitude, right? The expression of joy that comes from seeing a toddler ‘assert dominance’ over its animal could bring about a unique reaction depending on the person’s sensibilities. Or how the different chemical compositions and molecular makeup of grass, the evolution of the eye, and a host of other factors has determined ‘green’ might affect the kind of emotive response (gratitude) during the transition from Winter to Spring.

    So, no. Joy does not require gratitude. Nor does gratitude need to follow joy – although you might as well express it cuz it’ll make you seem like you think.

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  4. ladybarbara 2 years ago

    In my own childhood, I was told to be thankful and grateful —– or whatever was given to me that caused happiness would be taken away. Gratefulness did not come naturally. I had a childhood full of toys that I was told to be grateful for and to show my gratitude by not messing them up by playing with them. I was to keep my toys in pristine, like new condition. That meant looking at them and not playing with them.

    I think back on the one item I was most grateful for. It was a simple apron. At 8 years old, Mom gave me a birthday party and all of my classmates were invited. They all brought me the most popular toys on the market. However, one little girl was poor and had no money to buy me anything. Her mother gave her a swatch of material. She cut and sewed the most dear apron. She did not have a sewing machine. Every stitch was sewn by hand in neat and straight stitches. This gift was hand made and valued above all the other gifts. I loved that apron and showed my gratitude by taking good care of it. When we got to be high school aged, we were taking a cooking class together and her eyes lit up when she saw me put on my beloved apron (which was now 8 years old) that she had made for me. In our friendship all those years, I had given her little treasures, but the treasure she gave me was far greater. I took care of that apron for 60 years, until it was threadbare and fell apart from age and decay. I am more grateful for things that are handmade for me, than anything bought from a store.

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    • Jear77 2 years ago

      I am much the same way. If I am going to be visiting friends who invited me over for dinner and I am to bring a dish with me, instead of bringing nothing but a crudite tray or bread. I’ve cooked homemade spinach and artichoke dip. This Friday I’m making a homemade Riata served with veggies.

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      • ladybarbara 2 years ago

        Yummy! It is all the better because you put your own talent into making it.

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  5. Griz 2 years ago

    My thought is that joy can only come from a grateful heart: a heart that can look at more than just selfish pursuit.

    By contrast happiness is just a poor counterfeit. It exists entirely within and for the self. And that is why it can never last. Every reaction that is “sparked”, runs it’s course and expires. It is like the puddle that dries up.

    Whereas a grateful heart keeps regenerating joy, perhaps perpetually. More than one inspirational text uses the descriptive analogy of “rivers of joy” — that just keep flowing.

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  6. mamajoy 2 years ago

    I think I have to agree with @darksun. Sadly, I think our default is joy without gratitude. I believe that sincere gratitude is felt once certain circumstances are met or when someone feels a strong emotional impact. But I think for most of us, it’s secondary.

    It sounds a little sad, but I think it’s what makes experiencing and expressing gratitude special.

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    • DarkSun 2 years ago

      I think I have to agree with @darksun. Sadly, I think our default is joy without gratitude. I believe that sincere gratitude is felt once certain circumstances are met or when someone feels a strong emotional impact. But I think for most of us, it’s secondary.

      It sounds a little sad, but I think it’s what makes experiencing and expressing gratitude special.

      ,,,

      I do think it can depend on our lives.

      So, a girl wants me to live as she wants me to live…

      Of course I would. But…

      What does she want I would not want?

      She can kill me with demands, or fill me with wants…

      In your case, I would say…

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      Spitfire3dC 2 years ago

      I see gratitude a little differently and it is mostly because I understand the critical nature of determining genuine “want”

      When we are kids we are taught to say thank you. It becomes rote learning. Someone illustrates an effort to please you; you auto pilot say thank you. I liken it to what I call Happy Birthday Syndrome. It gets said, but nothing beyond that is DONE. Like it is enough (and it is for some recipients who appreciate the ease with which they can reciprocate)

      As we grow more mature, when we can recognize the value, our thank you’s can come from a much deeper genuine place and as we evolve further, we can start to WANT to experience a sense of gratitude which acts like a magnet for things to experience that give a person a reason to become grateful.

      If you WANT to be grateful, you will look for that pretty flower. If you WANT to be grateful you will pay attention to the sounds of the rhythmic waves rather than allow them to blend into the background as white noise. That WANT is what leads to, in my opinion, an opportunity to allow oneself real joy. I see them as combining to be more than the sum of the parts.

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  7. BelleMadre 2 years ago

    I feel like Yes and No to all of the above…
    we can feel joy but forget to be thankful for what makes us joyful, if we take the source for granted… (any child under the age of like maybe 6? half kidding…) but, at some point as we mature, maybe we start to feel gratitudealong side our joy. which is evident through thankfulness, OOOO THANKYOU MUM YOU ARE THE BEST EVER I LOVE IT! as opposed to Yay im so happy bye bye now

    maybe it is just that as we grow we are able to understand our feelings more. but i think it is about action too. or maybe its all the same feels we just define it differently as we get older or wiser?

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  8. Novelist65 6 months ago

    I think your picture speaks for itself. A young child can experience pure unadulterated joy and have no concept of gratitude. Gratitude is a learned concept. Joy is innate.

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