There are more thoughts and opinions and facts available to us than ever before.

We have a relatively new area of our brain (frontal lobe) where we can hypothesize and think things through without actually physically committing to them. We create these abstract “play-zones” that we can then populate with avatars of ourself and play games like, “What might happen if I jumped off a cliff”, or “What my happen if I was to overcome this or that fear?”, or “What would happen if I were to live life as if it had meaning beyond just myself?”.

It’s almost like people are growing increasingly afraid to use this part of their brain, most noticeably to consider ideas and viewpoints that might lay outside of their current comfort zone.

What about you? Are you brave enough to think about things outside your current comfort zone?
Do you think that more people should? (Remembering that “thinking” and “acting” CAN be separated from each other).




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  1. Jear77 3 months ago

    I have, which is why I needed to remove the concept of a god from my life. Such a being, if it exists does, nothing to solve problems, only proving the people who believe in it a feel good panacea. We need to do everything ourselves, not relying on anything or anyone else, as all hopes and dreams we put on anything besides our own hard work will always, at some point, fail us.

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      griz 3 months ago

      @Jear77
      I don’t believe anyone actually removes the concept of God from their life. Without it I think a person would be hard-pressed to survive.

      We simply reformulate the concept into something more to our liking. It becomes things like avarice, greed, fear, pleasure-seeking, career, an ideology of power or life philosophy of knowledge, nihilism, selfishness, Good Deeds, chemical substances, sex games . . . The list is endless.

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      • Jear77 3 months ago

        @griz the concept of an all powerful thing, something that is unable to be challenged, denied, questioned, ignored, disobeyed, fought against? No. None of those things qualify.

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        griz 3 months ago

        @Jear77
        Dude.
        You just, more or less, described “Life”!

        And being at odds with life, is not a good life strategy.

        It toxifies perception and outlook

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      • Jear77 3 months ago

        @griz all powerful, all wise, unable to be challenged… yet chose not to:
        A) Not have sin/ evil in the 1st place. Simplest solution: don’t create Lucifer. No such a being, no sin/ evil.
        B) once done, destroy (and retroactively erase) the deeds of him and any that rebelled. In the new infinity wars movie, Thanos rewound time to undo vision’s destruction. A god who can’t even match or beat our bad fiction isn’t all powerful.
        C) if, for some reason he could not do so, Forgive all sins, no punishment to the sinner without the sacrifice of a living being, particularlyhis own son.

        Something is wrong if these things can’t be.

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        griz 3 months ago

        @Jear77
        If the religion proved wanting (and you keep repeating that it has), then abandon the religious concepts and thinking.

        Religion is not God nor is God religion.

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      • Jear77 3 months ago

        @griz the point is that god, if he exisrs would do these things so that such questions could not even happen. Because they do, i must dismiss such a concept

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        griz 3 months ago

        @Jear77
        Unless there was worth in the asking of those questions that we cannot currently see.

        The sea slug scenario.

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      • Jear77 3 months ago

        @griz then that god shouldn’t have made us where we can ask – made us oblivious. And now we have cycled back to “free will is a scam”

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        griz 3 months ago

        @Jear77
        I don’t think too many good parents just want a fully realized clone.

        Even in our sea slug limited thinking, there’s value in the journey.

        How many good stories begin with and they lived happily ever after?

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      • Jear77 3 months ago

        @griz all, at their core. Change is what sets about the hero’s journey. Duh!

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        griz 3 months ago

        @Jear77
        But how poor is the journey or the story that ends before it’s truly begun?

        For whatever reason reality is like a story.

        And no amount of sea slug crabbing and bitching is going to change that.

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      • Jear77 3 months ago

        @griz not really. Most stories have a good part before the change. If it is one bad thing after another, there isn’t much reason to read. Real life is depressing enough without reading about how bad this person has thjngs.

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        griz 3 months ago

        @Jear77
        About a hundred and thirty years ago Nietzsche predicted angst despondency and depression (nihilism) would be an unavoidable consequence of skepticism overdone. (In response to Kant’s works)

        The good times -> trials/hardship/suffering, descent into chaos -> the heroic Journey -> death and resurrection -> good times again . . . Is an inexorable cycle: religiously mythologically philosophically evolutionarily.

        There is an equal lack of traction going angsty over this for any reason, by any vehicle, for any justification.

        Pondering it has been fodder for our deepest thinkers for eons. But going self defeatist and self-destructionistic over it is arguably a source of greater suffering than all of the death war famine pestilence hardships oppressions unfairness and diseases combined.

        And what is truly tragic is that there’s a time-proven heroic journey that always leads back to good times” and increased strength: just waiting for the next story cycle to manifest.

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      • Jear77 3 months ago

        @griz my point is exactly how much do you want to read, how many books… or even in a single book, how many chapters of thing getting worse? And before you say something along the lines of things get better in real life, that’s not really the case. The misery simply moves. Oh, we in America might be blessed in that we have no wars going on in our home turf, but we’re actively fighting wars elsewhere. We might be able to grow enormous amount of food, but we are malnourished because the nutritional value is questionable. Before unemployment caused people difficulty, but now it causes homelessness. The list goes on and on

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        griz 3 months ago

        @Jear77
        It helps if one reads the right stories. To date you’ve only been reading the wrong stories, including especially that religious mistake you got involved in for so many years.

        To be blunt you need a better life philosophy. Because this one is chewing on your bones and sucking the marrow out.

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      • Jear77 3 months ago

        @griz i was talking about real life and how we can never solve problems – we either kick the can down the road or we solve here, but not there, or a different population now has the problem

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        griz 3 months ago

        @Jear77
        I hear you.
        I too am talking about real life. The life that I bear witness to. It’s left me in a far different and better state than the life most people bear witness to. That’s simple observation, not judgment.

        Some problems we may not solve in our lifetime. A lot of problems were solved before our lifetime and we should be grateful for them and not so quick to throw them away.

        It’s as if everyone has been given a specific problem in life to resolve, a puzzle piece to put into place; first for themselves and then in sharing with others.
        But that cycle is broken if our life philosophy cannot handle reality and we go all angsty bitter despondent defeatist nihilist skeptic mistrusting . . . I think you get the picture.

        There are forces at work that want this more than anything else. Do we really want to just be their minion?

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      • Jear77 3 months ago

        @griz i would disagree. The only way to be alive is to have time. The only way not to be slaving away all your hours is to have more money rhan you cod possibly spend in a lifetime. The only way to do that is to leave everything else behind except for the cause of obtaining wealth.

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        griz 3 months ago

        @Jear77
        I think that’s an error. One can be so alive in this moment that time doesn’t matter. The only way to be alive, is to spend the time we have in this moment wisely.

        We have a horrendous abundance of people who bear witness to the abandonment of everything except for the cause of wealth . . . is a confirmed path to misery.

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      • Jear77 3 months ago

        @griz that’s because the wealth is ill used. You can’t enjoy life if you’re so sore at the end of the day, you barely have enough energy to get something to eat, stumble to your room to reenergize for a few minutes (on a long day) to maybe a couple of hours, where taking care of the house takes a backseat to taking care of yourself.
        I was writing for a local newspaper, really a sales rag for awhile. When things hot overwhelming, i went to the YMCA and swam to help with the stress and work out the soreness. Back then i was on my parents’ account. Now, being (more or less) on my own, i have neither the time nor the money to do so. And this is a day in and day out type of a thing.
        Neither you nor god if it exists can blame me for not wishing to take on anything more if i am unable to do what i consider to be the basic level of taking care of myself. And this basic level includes me being able to do tabletop roleplaying, which because of various factors i haven’t been able to do for years. Those are the bare minimums. Wealth would allow me to do these things. Easily.

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      • luftballooneyegouge 3 months ago

        @griz
        Please explain how @jear77 was pretty much describing life, as I don’t see the connection whatsoever in any way?

        You’re then saying life can’t be questioned, which is your whole schtick…..

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        griz 3 months ago

        @luftballooneyegouge
        We have degrees of freedom within Life, but the base premises of it and the reality it currently plays out in are very similar to what he is describing.

        The key beef seems to be, “Life should be different than Life is”. Such a Battle Hymn will only drive a person insane over time.

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      • luftballooneyegouge 3 months ago

        @griz
        …what a mess.

        I’ll just stick to addressing one part.

        You, @griz, said, “The key beef seems to be, “Life should be different than Life is”. Such a Battle Hymn will only drive a person insane over time.”

        ….insane?
        The act of changing one’s life, usually for the better, is one of the most basic primary human goals.

        So sure something like, “God grant us the serenity to accept the things we cannot change, the courage to change the things we can, and the wisdom to know the difference”, acknowledges that some things are out of our control, but not to the point where life is “unable to be challenged”, [unable to be] denied, [unable to be] questioned, [unable to be]ignored, [unable to be] disobeyed, [unable to be] fought against.

        Actually with something akin to your warped thought process, this would show God is death.

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        griz 3 months ago

        @luftballooneyegouge
        “Life” capitalized should be seen as the grandest possible overarching archetype — including essentially everything seen and unseen, known and unknown. It’s arrogant hubris to think that we alone are the diviners of this.

        “life” lowercase, is just our egocentric part in it. (And then varying degrees of Enlightenment work to reduce the egocentricity that blinds us, in the larger picture begins to emerge.)

        How does one challenge ignore or deny gravity? “With technology” is only a partial answer. What if you’re falling and no tech is available?
        How does one effectively challenge ignore or deny the passage of time?

        Any transcendent thought first needs to transcend the more foolish aspects of ego and pride.

        Physical death is a part of our little “life” one cannot effectively ignore deny or control. But it allegedly does not have this hold over “Life”.
        Even in our limited temporal vision and understanding, it can be seen rejuvenating and carrying on.

        So let’s return to the key premise of “Are people afraid to think?”

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      • luftballooneyegouge 3 months ago

        @griz
        What a bunch of word gymnastic bullshit…..

        Time for the new age bullshit generator response….

        Yeah @griz, you are so enlightened that sometimes I can’t see past the glare of your overwhelming brilliance y’fuckin flake.

        Nothing is impossible.
        Passion requires exploration. Conscious living is a constant.
        This life is nothing short of a summoning revolution of internal wisdom.
        Consciousness consists of electromagnetic resonance of quantum energy. “Quantum” means a refining of the unlimited. By invocation, we self-actualize. The dreamscape is electrified with meridians.

        The complexity of the present time seems to demand an invocation of our bodies if we are going to survive. Only a wanderer of the biosphere may engender this fount of growth. We can no longer afford to live with bondage.

        magine a refining of what could be. Eons from now, we dreamers will heal like never before as we are guided by the quantum matrix. It is in flowering that we are reborn.

        Discontinuity is the antithesis of transcendence. Where there is ego, freedom cannot thrive. Yes, it is possible to destroy the things that can disrupt us, but not without joy on our side.

        By unveiling, we dream. The goal of supercharged waveforms is to plant the seeds of ecstasy rather than pain.
        We must learn how to lead sensual lives in the face of yearning.
        Without wonder, one cannot grow. Yes, it is possible to eliminate the things that can confront us, but not without nature on our side. Only a wanderer of the universe may discover this reintegration of serenity.

        The complexity of the present time seems to demand a blossoming of our auras if we are going to survive. You may be ruled by turbulence without realizing it. Do not let it destroy the truth of your story. You must take a stand against suffering.

        Wanderer, look within and heal yourself. Have you found your mission? It can be difficult to know where to begin.

        We are at a crossroads of non-locality and turbulence. Who are we? Where on the great vision quest will we be awakened? We are in the midst of an interstellar evolving of faith that will be a gateway to the world itself.

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        griz 3 months ago

        @luftballooneyegouge
        I did not realize the attempt to control for egocentricity would cause you to blow a gasket. My apologies.

        I hope you can get the brain gunk cleaned off your walls. Maybe the cat can take time out from hunting for its cortex to help you? :tease:

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      • luftballooneyegouge 3 months ago

        @griz
        No it’s just jibberish with a capital ‘BS’.
        Your whole shtick is bullshit.

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        griz 3 months ago

        @luftballooneyegouge
        At least the bull is not shtick-shit. It was a valid regression. Yea, there might have been some gymnastics. But do them enough and they start to take on a beauty all their own.

        You’re capable, if you don’t bail. Let’s see some of that vast comfort zone you speak of.

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      • spitfire3dc 3 months ago

        @griz @luftballooneyegouge

        I read through your train and made the effort to try and understand both points of view. luft, some of your stuff was damn poetic. No question I saw “thought” on both sides and it made me wonder about something directly related to the original question.

        We had two P.O.V’s that were locked in. There were good arguments for and against. and at the end; no consensus. No conclusion satisfactory to both. In other words a waste of fuckin’ time. So what is the value of deeper thought, if all it does is further entrench us in our own beliefs? The species is fucked and seems to be satisfied with that. The majority want contentment now regardless of the future influence. Even the “new agers” may just be masturbating, while the inevitable end draws near.

        All that being said; it was a good read. Thanks!

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        griz 3 months ago

        @Spitfire3dC
        I seem to remember some wise person in another thread saying something like “knowledge is its own reward”, or “knowledge for knowledge sake”.

        I don’t think testing our views and beliefs against each other is ever a waste of time. Unless it is trying to “convert” another? Perhaps so. But that is a different process than just testing knowledge and ideas.

        Which itself can happen outside of the “locked-in POV” mindset. That which cannot bend and change, breaks and stagnates.

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      • luftballooneyegouge 3 months ago

        @Spitfire3dC
        The Conclusion IS that it’s a Fucking-Waste-of-Time… because he can’t/won’t answer the question. He just goes off on tangents and doesn’t address the parts of Jears statement that he makes the claim about.

        ““Life” capitalized should be seen as the grandest possible overarching archetype — including essentially everything seen and unseen, known and unknown.” Is just WRONG.
        You can say ‘oh you’re just not stretching your mind enough’, but it’s just like saying 2+2 doesn’t necessarily =4 because 2 capitalized should be seen as grand as possible and beyond it’s definition by egocentric humans.
        Life is a boundaried concept. To say otherwise is obfuscation if not redefinition.

        By his thinking then God becomes rape-semen, dirty diapers, hate, lust, greed, butt-plugs, dogshit, abortion vacuums, etc….

        In review, we’re still going on about his bullshit statement. My time is still being wasted on explaining 2+2=4

        I’m out of this one.

        THE END

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      • spitfire3dc 3 months ago

        @luftballooneyegouge I think I get the distinction he is trying to make between Life and life and it reminds me of an experience I once had that I will never forget.

        I was in a workshop where the main focus was on learning to listen. I went in with a closed minded attitude. I thought hearing and listening were the same thing. At the end of Day 1 (4 day workshop) I got into a discussion with the facilitator where I argued an oppositional perspective on an issue and I was prepared to hold my ground because I KNEW I was right.

        He allowed me my rant and then asked me if I would allow myself to accept that a miniscule possibility existed that he might be right. I said no, because he wasn’t. He asked me to allow a very thin edge of possibility, not actuality? He continued to make that admission of possibility thinner and thinner until I finally relented. It was at that point that I started to actually hear what HE was saying instead of me preparing my offensive defense of rebuttal.

        At this workshop, it was less about right and wrong and more about really trying to understand both versions of right that existed for each and then to find a right that validated both.

        I took that course close to 30 years ago. Best experience I ever had. When I use what I learned there; I come out ahead. If discussing two points of view that are different, doesn’t end up leading to an enrichment to both; why start in the first place?

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      • luftballooneyegouge 3 months ago

        @Spitfire3dC
        I totally get the simple as-matter-of-fact observations he’s making. I am not going to get anything from it I haven’t already heard since childhood.

        If someone’s serving up bullshit, I’m not gonna grab a spoon.
        I’m gonna say Hey Don’t Swallow That!

        You’ve remarked on how sequel falls short of pancake’s ideals of asking big questions, so why is it wrong to strip away the falseness if this is all about getting to big truths?

        That’s a rhetorical statement with no need of being answered.

        Lemme try once again before I have to start posting Godfather 3 clips….
        I’m done with this conversation,….. please?

        THE END?

        (Flash Gordon deserved a sequel)

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    • Yoshikawa 3 months ago

      @Jear77 so you can forget about praying, then?

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  2. luftballooneyegouge 3 months ago

    I have a vast comfort zone.

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  3. Gina 3 months ago

    Totally. “The Google” cuts conversations short when people ask, “what was the name of the movie?”…and someone googles the answer right away, instead of as you pointed out nicely, the convo doesn’t get to mature and go all over the place. Phooof! There’s your answer, and I didn’t even have to use my little brain.

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      griz 3 months ago

      @Gina
      I was trying to cast a difference between simple storage and retrieval, and working through some new idea or concept that may challenge pre-existing notions.

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  4. immortal_pirate 3 months ago

    Stay out of my frontal lobe, it’s a bad neighborhood…

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      griz 3 months ago

      @immortal_pirate
      Lol!

      The beauty of it is that it can afford to be. If things come to a bad end we can just reset the scenario and stick another avatar of ourselves into it

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  5. Yoshikawa 3 months ago

    Don’t you mean ear lobes? What the hell is a prefrontal lobe?

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      griz 3 months ago

      @Yoshikawa
      It’s the part of the brain directly behind your forehead that is responsible for planning and working through scenarios on a mental playing field without committing the body to them.

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      • Yoshikawa 3 months ago

        @griz oh I had no idea what you were talking about. It sounds very boring.

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        griz 3 months ago

        @Yoshikawa
        The mechanics of a car can be very boring.

        But knowing about them increases your versatility and options.

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  6. Yoshikawa 3 months ago

    I think in a coherent world that a spurl is a umbilical

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  7. spitfire3dc 3 months ago

    I think it would be impossible to be afraid to think. Think smart, might be another question.

    There might be a fear to act on what one thinks. I could buy that.

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      griz 3 months ago

      @Spitfire3dC
      How about “think deep”?

      Acting on it is a biggie. Some thoughts are so deep, how does one act on them? One sort of has to wait for the moment to be right.

      But when it is, you’ve already thought out a lot of the fine points.

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      • spitfire3dc 3 months ago

        @griz Give me an example of what requires such deep thought to enable the management of behaviour after consideration.

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        griz 3 months ago

        @Spitfire3dC
        I was with you until “after consideration”. I’m not sure “in consideration” of what?

        The Biblical example of Mary comes to mind. She was apparent party to and witness to some very deep happenings; and all she could do was “ponder/treasure them up in her heart”. (Different translations).

        The implication is that she just “held onto them” even though she might not have known what to do with them. But perhaps when the right moment came, the purpose for that “deep though” became apparent and was manifest in behavior? It’s sort of like having a key for a lock one hasn’t discovered yet.

        Behavior isn’t really modified by having the key . . . but when the right lock is found one can jump right to the next step. And if you personally never find that lock, pass the key on to your children. History is full of examples where the child was able to find and unlock what the parent wasn’t able to.

        I don’t know if you watch the Marvel movies, but Iron Man 2 really dove into this. The father had the vision, but the technology (knowledge) of the time kept him from taking it any further. But the son could.

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  8. Crysta 3 months ago

    I don’t think people are afraid to think. I believe all people are processing thoughts every waking moment. I do believe that people are afraid of expressing their thoughts. There is so much information on any particular topic that it’s hard for us to be “sure” of anything. As you mentioned, there are so many thoughts and options and “facts” available to us that it is overwhelming. People are conflicted. People are all floating around in the gray area because they are unable to commit to a thought as “true”.

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      griz 3 months ago

      @crysta
      Hi Crysta, and welcome to the group.

      My observation has been that most thought tends to splash around on the surface; and most people are not afraid to express these splashy thoughts.

      I was alluding more to the fear of diving deep beyond the surface, giving things a full ponder beyond our traditional comfort zone.

      I think your last sentence brilliantly sums it up. In a world where people are either afraid of, or don’t know how to think deeply and critically analyze, commitment to anything as truth dives too deep out of the comfort zone. The shallow end is “safer”.

      Critical analysis unto finding a backing of truth is replaced by pure criticism out of fear of finding one’s backing is just lies (?).

      (That last sentence just sort of popped out of nowhere. The question mark means I’m still pondering it out!)

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  9. novelist65 3 months ago

    It has been my experience that people, especially anyone born after 1985 don’t know how to think for themselves, communicate effectively or problem solve.

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      griz 3 months ago

      @Novelist65
      Teaching them that hasn’t been a priority in our education system of the past 20 years or so. Especially in our post-secondary halls of learning.
      The new curriculum has been “how to make the world a better place through social activism”: and teachers and speakers who advocate teaching students how to think for themselves have been accused of triggering them and aggressing against them.

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  10. barryjack 2 months ago

    I spent way too much time pondering how I can make an intelligent statement for this one, so here’s hoping this is somewhat close. I think folks want to be right. They want to be right so bad, that it becomes less of a thought than a belief. It doesn’t matter either way, but it gives them something to feel justified in. I think about a buddy of mine that will turn anything into an argument. It doesn’t matter what it could be…just so he can argue and be the loudest person in the room. In a lot of situations…it doesn’t matter how right or wrong that person is…if they’re the loudest…people will agree with them even if just to appease them. Being challenged in one’s beliefs can be scary. No one wants to think about scary shit, right?

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      griz 2 months ago

      @barryjack
      That’s an intelligent reply to think about. How much time is “way too much time” to devote to a quest for truth?

      The “scary shit” that people don’t like to think about, is the archetypal underworld: the unknown unknown. it’s the place where great Heroes like Christ Hercules or Pinocchio would journey to and survive only by being radically transformed into something more durable: and often bringing back something of great value for the tribe in the process.

      Being loud about how you are right is perhaps just a form of cowardice. The noble quest for great truth is substituted with the fear of learning that one is not great truth in their current form.

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