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  1. Gina 2 years ago

    Sure. And the earth is flat.

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      immortal_pirate 2 years ago

      Did you even read the article?

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      • Gina 2 years ago

        No.

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      • eric 2 years ago

        You didn’t read it either, obviously.

        The phrase: “Global warming is a hoax perpetrated to steal your money,” is not expressed in the article you linked to. I went through their sources and failed to find such a claim.

        Additionally, to read any of these articles and extrapolate that it is about stealing money (a statement that deserves explanations as I don’t know how global warming + ? = profit.

        Adding to this, the article you posted takes information out of context. For example:

        “A 2008 survey by two German scientists, Dennis Bray and Hans von Storch, found that a significant number of scientists were skeptical of the ability of existing global climate models to accurately predict global temperatures, precipitation, sea-level changes, or extreme weather events even over a decade; they were far more skeptical as the time horizon increased.”

        They go on to write: Other mainstream news sources besides the National Review have also been courageous enough to speak out against the global warming propaganda.

        Derp. The National Review didn’t “speak out” about a hoax, rather the 97 percent figure.

        If you go to the NR article at http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425232/climate-change-no-its-not-97-percent-consensus-ian-tuttle

        …the paragraph fully reads: “Studies showing a wider range of opinion often go unremarked. A 2008 survey by two German scientists, Dennis Bray and Hans von Storch, found that a significant number of scientists were skeptical of the ability of existing global climate models to accurately predict global temperatures, precipitation, sea-level changes, or extreme weather events even over a decade; they were far more skeptical as the time horizon increased. Most did express concerns about global warming and a desire for “immediate action to mitigate climate change” — but not 97 percent.”

        Plus, they actually link to the study. In fact, I found an updated 2013 version here: http://www.hvonstorch.de/klima/pdf/CliSci2013.pdf

        Across the board, the respondents note that confidence appears higher and the ability to mitigate disaster is lower. Of course, in the beginning, they note that the study itself is flawed and limited in scope. If you don’t understand what is happening here, it is becasue climate modelling is still very new.

        Additionally, the National Review article notes:

        A 2012 poll of American Meteorological Society members also reported a diversity of opinion. Of the 1,862 members who responded (a quarter of the organization), 59 percent stated that human activity was the primary cause of global warming, and 11 percent attributed the phenomenon to human activity and natural causes in about equal measure, while just under a quarter (23 percent) said enough is not yet known to make any determination. Seventy-six percent said that warming over the next century would be “very” or “somewhat” harmful, but of those, only 22 percent thought that “all” or a “large” amount of the harm could be prevented “through mitigation and adaptation measures.”

        However, the issue is about “what do scientists think?” So we can point to this form the National Review article:

        “And according to a study of 1,868 scientists working in climate-related fields, conducted just this year by the PBL Netherlands Environment Assessment Agency, three in ten respondents said that less than half of global warming since 1951 could be attributed to human activity, or that they did not know.”

        Unfortunately, if you look at the study, as with any “questioning of scientists,” they poll authors from articles that deal with “climate change” and “global warming,” but they aren’t using a standard set of data. We have no idea what research these scientists have or have not scene. Additionally, our understanding of climate change is continually evolving. You can visit https://climate.nasa.gov/news/ to see the latest development. You can also try NOAA.

        We have no way of knowing how much or little these scientists have seen or their depth of understanding about the topic.

        Now, I can’t see the WSJ article, but I’m going to make the assertion that the author is downplaying global warming science because they don’t understand (like most people) the scientific process and that a lack of concesses does not mean the information, research, or impact is invalid.

        I’m sure I could assess more, but I have other things to do right now – also it isn’t worth it. Honestly, this was as bad a when Weenis used a Sun article to make the claim that the recent Antartic ice growth was evidence that global warming is a hoax, despite the article actually quoted and sourced a NASA document. The Sun wonderfully took so much out of context and failed to present any level of honesty – as I see in the article you posted.

        I personally suggest reading the actual data gathered from scientists that work directly with these modeling systems and weather data instead of basing a belief of climate change on whether the 97% number is accurate or not.

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      • eric 2 years ago

        Let’s look at this as well, from:

        http://www.naturalnews.com/055151_global_warming_science_hoax_climate_skepticism.html

        “And, of course, there are the more than 31,000 American scientists (to date) who have signed a petition challenging the climate change narrative and 9,029 of them hold PhDs in their respective fields. But hey, Al Gore and his cronies have also ignored that inconvenient truth, as well.”

        Here is a response: https://skepticalscience.com/OISM-Petition-Project.htm

        “In fact, OISM signatories represent a tiny fraction (~0.3%) of all US science graduates (petition cards were only sent to individuals within the U.S)

        According to figures from the US Department of Education Digest of Education Statistics: 2008, 10.6 million science graduates have gained qualifications consistent with the OISM polling criteria since the 1970-71 school year. 32,000 out of 10 million is not a very compelling figure, but a tiny minority – approximately 0.3 per cent.

        There are many issues casting doubt on the validity of this petition. On investigation, attempts to undermine the scientific consensus on climate change often appear to have ideological roots, vested business interests or political sponsors. The claims made for the OISM petition do not withstand objective scrutiny, and the assertions made in the petition are not supported by evidence, data or scientific research.”

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  2. Gina 2 years ago

    The 30,000 Global Warming Petition Is Easily-Debunked Propaganda

    http://www.snopes.com/30000-scientists-reject-climate-change/

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  3. mamajoy 2 years ago

    I have to say, I haven’t delved into the subject matter deep enough to be able to take a strong stance on one position or the other. Ironically it seems though that a lot of times when people DO take a strong position on a subject matter, their research and exposure to bias are done so from a skewed perspective which disables one’s ability to make an informed judgement.

    I do believe that Earth offers finitie resources and that we should be aware of how these resources are being utilized. I do also think it’s our responsibility to live here responsibly for our own sakes as well as those of future generations. I don’t need to prove or debunk global warming to believe in that.

    Looking at the comments from that article is a sad reminder of how we seem to operate. Once again it seems to come down to an “us vs them” approach. There is no critical debate or any sort of invested discussions to provide either side with anymore credibility than the other. There is name calling and unfounded accusations from both sides. In other words, it’s completely unproductive and seems like a playground argument when the issue at hand should be important to all of us.

    Lots of people like to get into discussions online and participate in community protests…but it doesn’t seem like a lot of people go out of their way on individual challenges to actually stand behind what they believe and create changes where it matters. That’s why for me, I have opinions, but not many that I can say with confidence that I “support”, because I have not involved myself in areas that will incite any change.

    I wonder how many people can say that they support certain things to a point of dedication in where their efforts for their causes have been directly affected because of their individual acts.

    Rambling…not even sure my point will come across right. :rolf:

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  4. griz 2 years ago

    It’s more like “accelerated Human-induced climate-change.

    There is zero doubt that we as a species are at the point that we can upset and effect the very global systems that life depends upon.

    And there is zero doubt that given our species penchant for dodging responsibility that concerted effort would inevitably be expended towards denying any and all accountability for our actions.
    This is a given.

    Maybe areas in more temperate regions can sustain a doubt in human-induced climate-change. But I live in a region where the drastic effects of these changes are undeniable; and coming faster than we can keep track of.

    This isn’t a ploy to “steal your money”. It’s an observation that our greed to “make money at all costs” . . . often entails greater cost than our greed is willing to admit..

    Cost not so much to us. But assuredly to our children and grand-children.

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  5. Gina 2 years ago

    Hahahahahahahaaaaaa!

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  6. Gina 2 years ago

    @GeorgeTakei

    Overheard: Pulling out is not an effective method of climate control.

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  7. Gina 2 years ago

    @DalaiLama Jun 5

    Protecting our environment is not a luxury we can choose to enjoy, but a simple matter of survival.

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  8. Lucifer Rising 2 years ago

    It is very far from a concern for me, as I view reality as like the substance of a dream. In terms of environmental issues, I am concerned that people have good drinking water which is not even being handled here in the heart of America.

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  9. ladybarbara 2 years ago

    As Nibiru gets closer to Earth, there will be a stronger and stronger magnetic pull on the Earth’s core. It is already happening, slowly getting worse. This results in more stress at our poles. Polar ice melts on one side while polar ice is formed on the other side — because the poles are moving as the Earth wobbles 20 degrees more than usual because of the magnetic pull of Nibiru aka Planet X. There are volcanoes erupting worldwide right now because of the magnetic pull from Nibiru at our Earth’s core. There will be more weather anomalies as the planet and it’s sun (Nemesis) passes out of our solar system. This Fall season will be epic —- until the passing of Nibiru is complete, and it no longer pulls at our poles and core. It may get as bad as turning the Earth and moving the poles, making Brazil our new North or South Pole. It is going to get radical and no amount of sending money to Paris, and no amount of money spent anywhere will stop Nibiru and Nemesis from following their 3,660 year orbit around the sun and back out. Once they pass us and let go of the magnetic hold they have on Earth, weather will return to normal. However, if it has moved the continents by having turned the Earth sideways and changing the poles, then each continent will have to live on with new weather patterns. No amount of throwing money in the sky will change the movement of the planets.

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    • mamajoy 2 years ago

      When did you start believing in this theory?

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      • ladybarbara 2 years ago

        In 1955, in my 3rd grade classroom, the teacher’s husband was an Astronomer at the Griffiths Park Observatory. We went to the observatory on a school field trip, because our teacher’s husband was showing a special show to OUR GENERATION of students. We were the generation that would be in our senior years (old age) when Nemesis and it’s 5 planets with moons — one of the planets being Nubiru (aka Planet X) — would be seen in our sky. He showed us how our sun has a burnt out companion that swings around our sun every 3,660 years. In 1955 the Observatory could see it approaching.

        I grew up having arguments with teachers over whether our sun was one part of a binary sun system. In our classes, there were other students that got to see the presentation at Griffiths Park Observatory — the same time that my class got to see it. So, I was not alone in my opinion. As years passed, I absorbed anything I could learn about it. I was thrilled when the New York Times had an article on it in 1987. I read the studies of Zecharia Sitchin and the Book of Revelations in the Bible tells of the passing of Wormwood —- which is just another name for the Nemesis – Nibiru system. It tells of the weather changes.

        Did you know that our North Pole was once tropical and had tropical plants and animals. These animals suddenly froze with the meals they were busy eating still in their stomachs and mouths —– WHY??? —- Because the pole shift of that time was so swiftly fast that the Earth turned sideways all at once with the magnetic pull on the Earth — as Nibiru passed by. I can now see that we are right now having the same weather anomalies and taking a picture of the sun will show you the planets that are next to our sun right now. Earthquakes are increasing all over the planet —- and that is not a theory. There are floods and bad weather happening everywhere. More bad weather than is “normal”. There are asteroids and meteors zooming past in the sky, and just yesterday India was hit with an 8 lb. meteor. Let’s not forget the meteor that exploded over Russia. We are going through the tail of debris that follows Nibiru. It picked up this debris of meteors and asteroids while passing through the asteroid belt within our own solar system.

        I watched our sky when Nibiru was approaching and could be seen near Orion’s Belt. I have a telescope and can view the happenings in our sky. I have mentioned it many times before on Soul Pancake and was told that I was insane to think that a companion sun and planets were approaching our solar system. Think that I am insane and that this is just a whacko theory, and it will still exist in our sky.

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      • mamajoy 2 years ago

        I didn’t know that this idea dated back so far. I also found that it was mentioned in the 1930’s as well. Population of the disastrous encounter it seems to be credited to Nancy Lieder though.

        So in a nutshell you were exposed to this from a young age and have since kept up with news that support the idea. Have you ever tried to challenge this belief? In the history of the anticipated passing, it seems there have been times that it was supposed to happen – but then it doesn’t. Why do you suppose that occurs?

        And lastly, if this event is truly going to happen it doesn’t seem like there’s anything we’ll be able to do to avoid it. Why do we discuss it? I can see the point of discussing issues that we may be able to affect, but I would assume that the collision of planets would not be something that man would be able to change. This idea only seems to bring about fear. I don’t understand the point.

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      • ladybarbara 2 years ago

        Trillions of dollars are being used by the 1% elites to build underground facilities and to hoard food, ammunition, and supplies —— so the elites can live underground for the passing of Nibiru and the very cataclysmic horrors that I described about the changing of the poles. They will be surviving in high style —— and we are not invited. We above ground will have to do our best to survive. I hope that we don’t end up being like the proverbial Poodle-in-the-microwave as it passes.

        Already, it has had effect on our Magnetosphere. The Magnetosphere is fighting to protect Earth and has failed quite a few times. There are solar flairs that have hit the Earth, but so far, the Magnetosphere has done it’s best to protect us. If a CME hits when the Magnetosphere is failing, due to the magnetic pull of Nibiru, then we will have the Poodle-in-the-microwave results.

        Will the Earth survive? It always has in the past, but there have been times through the ages that the animals and mankind had a big RESET. Then there were the dinosaurs that did not reset and did not survive.

        We can throw money at this climate change and it will be wasted because all the money on the planet will not stop Nemesis and Nibiru and accompanying planets and moons from continuing on their orbits and causing catastrophe with all of the planets in our solar system.
        What is the point of knowing about this? So that the elites can SURVIVE underground.

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      • mamajoy 2 years ago

        Okay, now I understand why you are with the belief that global warming is nonsense.

        But, a few things come to mind. I earlier mentioned that previous estimates of when the catastrophe would take place did not happen. Since only the richest of the richest have the means to plan for this disaster, that leaves the rest of us. If the impact continues to be put off, wouldn’t it make sense to use our planet in the most beneficial way? Most of us will not be able to plan for this disaster like the rich, but we can plan for the now. And for now, we know that our planet is suffering and our resources are finite. So while we may not be able to stop the planets on their orbit or afford to plan to survive possible impact…we may be here for a very long time. Why not conserve our planet so we can inhabit it until impact?

        And of course, out of curiosity, have you challenged the idea or do you stick to the reports that support your position?

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      • ladybarbara 2 years ago

        The planets move so slowly through our sky that Nibiru is effecting us right now — at this very moment. It is not a matter of if or when. When the population was told about this, everyone thinks that it should be happening right now. When it doesn’t happen right now, everyone laughs. Everyone expects everything to be instant and right now —“Bring it on!!!” Not everything happens in an instant and all over the world at one time.

        It is like the Rapture that was expected about 5 years ago. My neighbors are devout Christians and packed up their motor home and headed to some mountain for the Rapture. They left me (poor me) to take care of their house and animals. I took my clothing and shoes and left them in the kitchen —- as if I was “taken” right out of my clothing. I left them a note, which read: “Jesus came while you were gone and I told Him you were on vacation.”

        Yes, catastrophic predictions are made and seem to pass unfulfilled. This one is happening as we speak. It will not be utter destruction of everywhere all at once —– except for the big fast Earth shift. Even a CME hitting Earth will only hit the side of the Earth that is facing the sun at the time of the hit. It will have effect of the electronics and electrical system and we can recover from it. If it hits in India, are we going to say that it did not come to happen? A storm floods out over here, an earthquake happens over there, a volcano erupts somewhere else. Just because it did not happen where you are sitting, does not mean that it is not happening and can be called a non-happening. Nibiru has taken many years in it’s approach and will take just as many years to go back into space in it’s orbit. Because it takes so long in it’s fly-by does not mean that it does not exist, or is a non-event.

        I keep supplies, candles, batteries, and even a bugout bag. If the electricity goes off for any amount of time, I am prepared with the skills to live without it. If food and supplies cannot be trucked in, I am ready to survive until we are back to some kind of “normal” again. ———— and, if I never need my emergency supplies, everything I have can still be used and eaten. There is no harm in being prepared.

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      • mamajoy 2 years ago

        Yes, there is no harm in being prepared, and that was a funny story about the rapture. :rolf:

        But I’m still confused about this. Aren’t the changes that the world is feeling with the weather, asteroids, and debri in orbit also credited to the effects of global warming? How does one pick one cause over the other? Who can accurately determine that these changes are from Nibiru or global warming? And if global warming is a hoax, who is benefiting from the government covering up Nibiru? I’m guessing it goes back to the super rich and their sub-systems for survival?

        When doing some quick research on either matter it seems that each side, the belief of Nibiru and the belief of global warming both claim that the other is a hoax. The advantage that global warming presents is sourced evidence to support the position, while Nibiru doesn’t seem to be able to provide this.

        Please don’t feel that I am attacking your beliefs. I’m just trying to understand how you arrived at your belief. From what I gather, you were exposed to this as a child and have continued to expose yourself to ideas that support this belief while avoiding ideas that go against it.

        This conversation just made me wonder how people – in general, come to strongly support the positions that they take. Whether it is through involuntary exposure, forced exposure, self-exposure and whether these ingrained or learned ideas(how ever they arrived) are challenged for a believer to confidently support their decisions or if they are readily accepted without challenge.

        Thank you for sharing.

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      • ladybarbara 2 years ago

        I have tried to see the other side, but I do not see how our government giving billions of dollars to the Paris Climate Accord —- while China pays zero and India pays zero, just to pay for their carbon footprint to grow larger, while we get nothing for our money, it is a stinking deal for us. I am happy with President Trump pulling us out of that big money pit.

        The owner of The Weather Channel has said that the temperature of the planet has not gone up. I don’t care if it has or hasn’t. I did notice that the sun is 20 degrees Northward of where it should be. The moon is 20 degrees off, as well. All it means to me is that my garden is in different shadows from what used to be. West facing is now Southwest facing. Sooooo, I had Immortal Pirate build us a greenhouse that shields the plants and I can watch the health of the plants to know when and where to move them.

        As time goes on, there will be a settling into a new normal. The Earth heats up and then the Earth cools down. It is the Earth doing what it does. The sun goes into an active spell and then settles down and is cooler. It is the solar rhythm. I am a woman of 70 and I am not going to worry about it much. I live from day to day making the most of each day I have. I keep my nose out of drama and don’t bother with the young wanting to argue, as if they can make a difference if they shout louder. There comes a time in the arguments where I just shake my head and walk away.

        And so it will be with my being a member of Soul Sequel. It feels like a nest of Liberals that try to shout out and out shout every one with a differing opinion. I tend to yawn and walk away. I do not need the drama of the argument. Life is too short for all that strife.

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      • mamajoy 2 years ago

        Life IS too short! That’s for sure.

        I wish that more people could discuss and learn about differences instead of arguing about those differences and find acceptance. People will always hold different opinions and beliefs. And while I can appreciate the passion of some, sometimes passions are misdirected and then it turns ugly – even when people are fighting for their passion. Nothing can be resolved that way.

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      • ladybarbara 2 years ago

        I see the commercials for the doggie “Thunder Shirt” and I think, “Some people need to wear one of those. I see the rioting and craziness and wish someone with a load of “Thunder Shirts” would just put some of the rioters in “Thunder Shirts” to make them calm down. It may work better than pepper spray and rubber bullets.

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      • Tits McGee 5 months ago

        @ladybarbara YOU ARE LOONEY TUNES

        CONSPIRACY THEORY MUCH?

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    immortal_pirate 2 years ago

    Tens of Thousands Of Scientists Declare Climate Change A Hoax

    September 2, 2016 Sean Adl-Tabatabai Weird 956
    30,000 scientists declare man-made climate change a hoax

    A staggering 30,000 scientists have come forward confirming that man-made climate change is a hoax perpetuated by the elite in order to make money.

    One of the experts is weather channel founder, John Coleman, who warns that huge fortunes are being made by man-made climate change proponents such as Al Gore.

    Natural News reports:

    In a recent interview with Climate Depot, Coleman said:

    “Al Gore may emerge from the shadows to declare victory in the ‘global warming’ debate if Hillary Clinton moves into the White House. Yes, if that happens and the new climate regulations become the law of the land, they will be next to impossible to overturn for four to eight years.”

    Climate change proponents remain undeterred in their mission, ignoring numerous recent scientific findings indicating that there has been no warming trend at all for nearly two decades.

    Al Gore’s dire predictions of the melting of polar ice on a massive scale have proved to be completely false. In fact, in 2014 – a year that was touted as being “the hottest ever” in the Earth’s history – there were record amounts of ice reported in Antarctica, an increase in Arctic ice, and record snowfalls across the globe.

    Debunking the “97 percent” lie

    On top of those “inconvenient truths,” the White House’s assertion that 97 percent of scientists agree that global warming is real has been completely debunked. Several independently-researched examinations of the literature used to support the “97 percent” statement found that the conclusions were cherry-picked and misleading.

    More objective surveys have revealed that there is a far greater diversity of opinion among scientists than the global warming crowd would like for you to believe.

    From the National Review:

    “A 2008 survey by two German scientists, Dennis Bray and Hans von Storch, found that a significant number of scientists were skeptical of the ability of existing global climate models to accurately predict global temperatures, precipitation, sea-level changes, or extreme weather events even over a decade; they were far more skeptical as the time horizon increased.”

    Other mainstream news sources besides the National Review have also been courageous enough to speak out against the global warming propaganda – even the Wall Street Journal published an op-ed piece in 2015 challenging the Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) pseudoscience being promulgated by global warming proponents.

    And, of course, there are the more than 31,000 American scientists (to date) who have signed a petition challenging the climate change narrative and 9,029 of them hold PhDs in their respective fields. But hey, Al Gore and his cronies have also ignored that inconvenient truth, as well.

    Many of those scientists who signed the petition were likely encouraged to speak out in favor of the truth after retired senior NASA atmospheric scientist John L. Casey revealed that solar cycles are largely responsible for warming periods on Earth – not human activity.

    Al Gore and cronies continue getting richer from the global warming hoax

    But the global warming crowd continues to push their agenda on the public while lining their pockets in the process. If you’re still inclined to believe what Al Gore has to say about global warming, please consider the fact that since he embarked on his crusade, his wealth has grown from $2 million in 2001 to $100 million in 2016 – largely due to investments in fake “green tech” companies and the effective embezzlement of numerous grants and loans.

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