Recently watched the movie, Arrival. Without giving away too much , because I would love for you to watch the movie and tell me your impressions (it’s on Hulu, if you have Hulu) the movie’s protagonist is a linguist and she has to figure out how to communicate with aliens.

My question to you is, how much does the language one speaks inform our thoughts?




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  1. spitfire3dc 2 months ago

    I suppose it depends on how much of a language is at our disposal. Vocabulary matters. Grammar matters. Meanings can easily be misinterpreted if a comm is misplaced.

    On a broader scale, some languages are rooted in emotions and accompanied gestures. They seem to have an extra kick in communicating more than the flat delivery of information. Put yourself in the middle of a crowded Italian kitchen and sort through people yelling, all at the same time, and if you aren’t used to it, the cacophony is nothing short of overwhelming.

    I think that there are some languages that do a better job of communicating more accurately than others, but probably only in very specific areas. I recall as a kid hearing my parents say, “what’s the English word for…?” And in some cases the meaning would get lost in translation.

    I think English is a pretty good tool. It was chosen as the common language for all pilots to use in international communication, maybe because terms were invented as needed??

    One thing that has always confused me is why the names of countries need to be translated. Why not just call the country by the name it has given itself? I can say Nippon, just as easily as Japan and maybe in the spirit of cooperation we could use the associated accent as a way to illustrate that we might give a shit.

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      Scarlett 2 months ago

      @Spitfire3dC Sapir whorf theory suggests that the language we speak does inform our thoughts, but many linguists of today reject that theory or say that it is minimal. in the movie I watched , Arrival, language did inform thoughts, and it could cause a major catastrophe, such as the word weapon in one language being meant as a tool, and in another, as a force of destruction.

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      • spitfire3dc 2 months ago

        @Scarlett I can understand easily how interpretation is everything. Even with people who share a language.

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  2. immortal_pirate 2 months ago

    The spoken words, with hand gestures for emphasis, and tone of voice…all stimuli play a part in communication comprehension, and as far as communicating with an alien…
    …we communicate just fine.

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  3. ladybarbara 2 months ago

    When traveling to other countries, I use a translation guide, but I also draw up some cards with pictures of a chicken and plate of food, a toilet or bathroom, a bus or train, a taxi, a glass of water, a cup of coffee, a sweet roll, bread, a hotel — and so on. It was just in case my pronunciation was bad. In Iran, speaking in Farsi, I did make sure the letter “d” was pronounced as a “z” and “a” was always “Awe” and not that horrible “aaaa” that Americans use when saying “Aaaafgahnistaaan”. The country is pronounced like “Awf-gahn-eestan” with all “a”s being “aw’. As for speaking another language informing our own thoughts, I think our own thought is to try to be understood.

    Everyone has to have a place to sleep, transportation, food, water, shelter from the weather, clothing, a toilet. It is international. It would be the same with aliens.

    I found it odd that in Farsi to say , “I love you.” is to say the words, “My life for yours” (Feta yin — pronounced Feta-yeen). I guess that is the most profound expression of love, that I would give my life to save your life.
    I cannot think in Farsi, so my best bet is just to be understood and take it Kam kam, ruz be ruz —— which means Little by little, day by day.

    How much does the language I speak inform my own thoughts? 100% because I think in the language I speak.

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  4. griz 2 months ago

    Tremendously.

    I have long been a vocal proponent of measuring the language we speak, for it affects (mostly limits) our thoughts.

    Things like confusing happiness with joy. Mistaking dependency and addiction for love. Thinking love is something “dated”; that one uses up, that fades, that one throws away, applies to non-living objects.

    Or thinking that feelings define reality?

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      Scarlett 2 months ago

      @griz yes, on the love thoughts!

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      Scarlett 2 months ago

      @griz scenario: you get into a relationship with a woman, not knowing at the time that you still had some unconscious issues to work through, and that is how you gravitated to this particular woman. After moving in together, this woman begins to demean you verbally on a daily basis. you are loving in your response and eventually ask the woman to attend counseling. even with counseling, you begin to understand that at this time the woman is not changing. she continues to demean you daily. this woman, nor you are living out their potential in this relationship. do you continue with this relationship, which in a sense you are serving. you are serving yours and the woman’s suffering or do you end the relationship?

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      • griz 2 months ago

        @Scarlett
        I’m positive each situation would be as unique as the people involved in it.

        But a lot of it would depend on the stage of the relationship and the level of Covenant between the two.
        Which goes back to what I said was valuable in the old-fashioned longer courtships and engagement periods of yesteryear.

        My thought is that once one has gone through the steps and made the commitment to the other, this should only be broken in the most dire of circumstances.

        The problem I see is the headlong rush to get to “the good feelings for self”, with most if not all considerations for other things cast aside.

        I’ve been in that situation where I was with a woman mostly because of our past baggage combined. I was convinced to make a go of it no matter what, because I know that is what true love is.

        In the end she was the one that moved out and totally disappeared while I was away on a two-day trip. The only thing she left behind was a special mug that commemorated a very special moment between the two of us.

        My heart was a broken and useless thing for about 18 months. But I have no regrets.

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      • griz 2 months ago

        @Scarlett

        BTW.
        I wonder how many people enter into relationships with such a full and complete awareness of themselves that there are no subconscious issues at work?

        Part of true love and commitment to another is working through these things; save in the most dire of circumstances (ie. Relationship unfathfulness as allowed for in the Bible; and perhaps as a modern addition, chronic incalcitrant abuse)

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  5. luftballooneyegouge 2 months ago

    https://youtu.be/9sVSuxw9qZg

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