Read the article and let me know what you think.
I deal with time travelers a lot. They are called angels…
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@five2one even they couldn’t exist because they couldn’t know which now they’re dealing with. Also, there’s another problem with the concept: the planet is moving in space… if you rewind time without making sure where the earth is, you’d end up in empty space quite dead
Angels have bodies of light, as we will, as well. In the future. So, we can travel back in time, and can stay in place while doing it, or not. I am not sure if doing so requires you to fly to the earth’s new spot, or if gravity would hold you back. Thinking about it, probably you would have to fly back to earth.
As for multiple “now’s” and divergent time streams, that is science theory, not fact.
As for the ability to know the future, have definitely seen that proven, many times. Have also seen the bodies of light, which I can confirm were accurately described in Scripture.
I am the only human, I am aware of, who has tied this together.
To clarify, now is the only time that exists for us; perceptually and existentially. (Though one can argue that we can bargain with the future and become trapped in the past!)
But it would take a horrendous fit arrogant hubris to presume that a species defined by limitations, would possess the insights to pass such a judgment on things transcendent. Or put simply what can we know about things that we cannot know?
Our lot is to ponder something more humble; such as why we would let hubris and arrogance run away with us to such degree?
@griz science would be able to provide at least some glimpse of this. It cannot!
@Jear77 Science is not the only frame of reference.
To believe so, is to worship Humanity.
And it’s not worthy.
@griz while that may be true… it’s the only one i can interact with. Worthiness has nothing to do with interactivity.
@Jear77 By what proof or authority would you assert that empircism is the only frame of reference one can interact with?
Chances are excellent you interact with a LOT of your own internal processes daily that are not governed by empiricism or rationality!
Know thyself, and the “messiahs” you would raise on high!
@griz how much you want to make a bet even the dark recesses my own mind can be interacted with through the tool of science. I guess you never heard of a study called psychology.
@Jear77 Dr. Wilder Penfield interacted with a patient’s brain using an electrical probe and had her interacting with burned toast that was not empirically there.
Science interacted secondarily with an epiphenomena. But that in no way implies any degree of empirical traction upon the actual phenomena of the burned toast. And the thing it could do with the phenomenological memory, would be to burn it out and destroy it.
Science being able to interact with something in no way means it has control understanding or mastery of it.
That’s why it is a poor Messiah to raise up.
Um, have you forgotten that I study psychology? (Developmental clinical and evolutionary)
@griz science constantly changes, admits its mistakes and seeks better ways or refining what they know. A god that can’t should neither be trusted nor obeyed.
@Jear77 So if you hold science on high, why don’t you do the same? Change? Admit mistake? Or seek better ways to improve engagement not divorce from it!?
A “highest ideal”, is just that. Of course it changes as we advance through time. Is the line between good and evil is something akin to whether that progression is cumulative or subtractive.
Constructive or destructive.
@griz do change. Constantly. I just so happen to realize that my changes are neither linear nor cumulative, always logical nor 100% constructive, hence the need to see myself as a hypocrite. There’s a quote from famous poet Walt Whitman, “I am large; I contain multitudes.” It’s exceedingly rare that a person can look honestly at their actions, their thoughts/ attitudes about things, how they perceive themselves vs. how others see them and not have a discrepancy between these categories. I, and I alone have so integrated these differences into my very being so when pointed out, it can’t afcect me!
@Jear77 Then perhaps you lack a plan for your life? Could this eliminate the need for the hypocrite?
Part of growth includes the ability to be affected when we become aware of incongruities between who we think we are, and who we actually manifest as.
The former is more a fantasy, a dream, an illusion. At worst, possibly a delusion. The latter is more akin to who we actually are.
At least in the realm beyond defensive isolation that maps most accurately onto manifest shared reality.
@griz walt whiman was MUCH wiser than you. Come back when you have a Laureate.
@immortal_pirate even the immortal needs to travel through time one second at a time. The moment that second is done… it’s gone forever, and the next one replaces it. You can’t go through time faster or slower (without some massive speeds)
@Jear77 But you can experience it on many different levels in the moment.
Someone who remains trapped just inside themselves cannot.
You are surrounded by art all day long in your job. Has it taught you nothing about seeing the transcendent (or even The Transcendent) in the ordinary? That’s what art does.
There’s an analogy there about someone who spends their days swimming in a tank of freshwater but complaining they are dying of thirst.
@griz art is about perception. Not all perceptions are useful, factual, actual or true. Let’s say someone saw the world as if they were seeing things reflected in a funhouse mirror. Or a person with cataracts painted the world with how their sight experienced blockages. Maybe a person can’t experience reds or greens die to colorblindness, creating art without these colors. Are these things good? No.
@Jear77 The only reason good art is “good”, is because through it most viewers find some perception of The Transcendent.
Or at least the hope that the quest for it is a worth-while thing. Even if they don’t understand the art, they recognize on some level that there is something there worthy of understanding. Otherwise they wouldn’t bother journeying there to see it.
And just an observation — the constant flight into wanting to see everything as a function of or through the lens of limitation . . . is perhaps what has blocked your outlook on The Transcendent?
@griz or it could be i see the concept of the divine, the transcendent as the complete and utter nonsense, bullshit, and insanity that it is.
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