Can change begin with just one person?

What are some historical examples, and what others found inspiring about them?

If the spotlight was turned upon you, what inspiration do you think others might glean from the example of your life?




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  1. Jear77 3 months ago

    Define better.
    One person’s hero is another’s villain and visa versa.
    How do you determine what is better outside yourself? What if that “better” causes the people to act *worse*?

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      griz 3 months ago

      @Jear77
      Post-modernism aside, there have been Universal archetypes of better and worse ways of living across time and cultures.
      If they are similar across cultures they cannot be attributed to the culture. Carl Jung and other philosophers psychologists heavy tributed them to biology; in the most darwinian sense.
      People adopt this stance of I get to decide what is hero and villain simply because they want to avoid taking responsibility for themselves within the social framework that has defined humanity since we first appeared.

      How does one determine what is better be on self? Awareness Beyond self, and the ability to effectively handle tools like history logic reason language statistics mythology spirituality . . . And to Simply pay attention to something other than just one’s own selfish (and too often arrogant) world.

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      • Jear77 3 months ago

        @griz once again, archetypes need to be more honest.

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        griz 3 months ago

        @Jear77
        That they do not align to a style of “honesty” (ease?) that you prefer does not indicate a failing in the texts.

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      • Jear77 3 months ago

        @griz no. A failing in the concept/ idea

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        griz 3 months ago

        @Jear77
        Only in failing to live up to our expectations of ease in application. Most things truly worth doing are difficult; usually involving more than one try!

        Consider carefully the stance of trying to project forth our failures on parents, other people, society as a whole, the Bible, on the very fabric of manifest reality, then on God/Life itself.

        And then to complain about misery and suffering while pursuing a path guaranteed to increase them?
        This is your chosen deology in a nutshell.

        There are no shortage of dire warnings against this path many are religiously addicting themselves to: warnings stretching back through Humanity’s medical and wisdom Traditions all the way to our most ancient archetypal mythologies from a number of cultures.

        The first step is to admit one’s addiction to it.

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      • Jear77 3 months ago

        @griz 12 step program ideology?

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        griz 3 months ago

        @Jear77
        They make use of it, but no.

        Long before they existed it was known that the first step to overcoming anything owning you, was to admit that you were it’s slave.

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      • Jear77 3 months ago

        @griz outside the bible, common knowledge? Not anymore.

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        griz 3 months ago

        @Jear77
        Yes.
        Ancient civilizations like the Egyptians, Mesopotamians and Chaldeans commonly knew this 1000’s of years ago.

        The only reason we can muster for our ignorance, is laziness. We don’t even have to leave our home to research it.

        We have only lost that which we have thrown away.

        And this for the sake of only modern arrogance in believing we’ve out-grown these stories of old.

        (The truth is more like we’ve regressed to the point they are over our heads)

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      • Jear77 3 months ago

        @griz Either way, the point is moot, as it’s no longer in our cultural lexicon.

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        griz 3 months ago

        @Jear77
        Only because we each personally choose not to make it so.

        It’s almost exactly like classifying the health preserving prescription in the back of the medicine cabinet as somehow out of reach.

        We lament that we are “without” ( time money he’ll friends resources opportunities etc).

        Yet we are the ones who have either neglected them or thrown them away.

        Try treating yourself like someone who is worth caring for. Even if you cannot see it this is how I treat you.

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      • Jear77 3 months ago

        @griz better examine symptoms of addiction again sometime. In medical terminology, nothing you say is addicting would pass the muster.

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        griz 3 months ago

        @Jear77
        I don’t suffer from the delusion that science knows everything about everything yet!

        I also enjoy taking enough responsibility in reality to think things out for myself and not rely on priests and religious leaders to tell me what it is okay to think. (That’s an analogy as well, based on the behavioral observation that there’s a great tendency among lay people to treat science as they treated religion for eons)

        You would advance yourself greatly by doing the same.

        In this example however you are just cherry picking the physical addiction symptoms and not the psychological/behavioral ones.

        And even if this didn’t hold (which it does) there’s still value as analogy that you are dismissing.

        Critical thinking means going beyond just the superficial or the convenient. The Quest for truth presumes that it is bigger than us rather than vice versa.

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      • Jear77 3 months ago

        @griz Neither do I. I’m simply saying use different words… or maybe more specifically DON’T use words that have MEDICAL definitions. It would be like a doctor saying that you have diabetes … and listing off a dozen symptoms that have nothing to do with the disease he talked about. Would you want to go BACK to that doctor again?

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        griz 3 months ago

        @Jear77
        Any idea why it might trouble you so to entertain that addiction could have application in the psychological and behavioral disciplines?

        It could be worth digging deeper to try to understand why.

        Did you also notice you’re using this red herring to avoid discussing the other issues I brought up in that response?

        Eyes open Jear! A part of you understands where the “dangerous healing” resides, and actively avoids it.

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      • Jear77 3 months ago

        @griz actually it does! BUT there are MEDICALLY recognized areas: gambling, sex, gaming (new one to the DSM). Keep it with what’s in the DSM and i’ll agree.

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        griz 3 months ago

        @Jear77
        If we always stay within “what is known” . . . we never progress individually or as a species.

        This isn’t a call to downplay what is already within “known” territory”; nor to gullibility or foolish risk within the realm of the “unknown” (because it can be a dangerous place. There are no hand-santizer stations or crisis hotlines there!).

        But we REALLY need to control the CRIPPLING FEAR of the “safety culture” that preaches we are utterly incompetent to think beyond what convention and agenda “permit” . . . or undertake a bit of heroic journey ourselves.

        The key difference between us is that I don’t need an area to be mapped, to have roads and signs (and hand-sanitizer stations!) installed before I can move in and through it as “known territory”, and reap the rewards of wisdom that are laying about like gold pieces all over the place.
        The ability to demolish the facades of agenda people throw up comes from this.

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  2. immortal_pirate 3 months ago

    Q) Can change begin with just one person?

    A) YES, Best example: Jesus Christ.

    A) Next best example: Donald J. Trump.

    Note: In the spotlight…I am not a role model, although some might glean inspiration from my life path, that is a road one should not travel lightly. My journey is not one I would recommend others take.

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      griz 3 months ago

      @immortal_pirate
      “Role model” is often not our choice. And the specifics are a story that is uniquely ours.

      The “model” for others are those aspects where we shadowed the great Hero Archetype:
      -The journey to the underworld (even if just to the underworld of the darker side of our own soul).
      -The death and re-birth as something stronger and more enduring (the Phoenix Archetype)
      -The return with something of value for the entire “tribe”. Something hard-won, with personal cost, attainable only by getting off our comfortable complacency and entitlement, and venturing into the unknown.
      (Which is the psychological theme of all the Abraham stories)

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  3. Gina 3 months ago

    I lead by example, and I know people have followed my lead many times. I have been told numerous times that I inspired someone to take better care of their body, garden, volunteer, dance, cook, recycle, smile more often. I have a young friend who I have known since she was a little girl. She is in her 30s now, and she said that watching how I act in my life let her know that you don’t have to give up being a “magical” person once you grow older.

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      griz 3 months ago

      @Gina
      A person’s true beliefs are what they act on in their life.

      Whether heavenly or hellish.

      And both have immediate and lasting effect on the environment around you.

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  4. Gina 3 months ago

    Yes, change can begin with one person.

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  5. novelist65 3 months ago

    I’ve become a minimalist and practice vegetarianism. I am good to everyone I meet unless they give me a reason not to be. I speak my mind and my conscience. I’m as good a person as I can be and still Trump is in office.

    I can’t change the world and I have to live only with myself. I live my life in ways that I believe to be better for me and the world I live in but that changes nothing. I try to contribute more than I take but in the end none of it really matters to anyone but me. People do what they want and most people find me strange so not many people around me want to follow my lead.

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      griz 3 months ago

      @Novelist65
      Something spoils the dynamic when we are doing it expecting “the reward” of controlling others.

      Finding sufficient meaning to keep doing it just for the “right-ness” of doing it is “the phenomenon”, existing in the realm of “self” that is our only true dominion.

      It spreading beyond us is “the epiphenomenon”, and is really beyond our control: even though our our initial choice is causal.

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      • novelist65 3 months ago

        @griz I live my life according to standards I’ve set for myself. I don’t expect anything in return nor do I expect many if any to follow me. Your question was:

        Can change begin with just one person? It depends on who and what you want to change. If you expect change in yourself that begins and ends with one person. Change by and for a whole must begin with a collective consciousness which implies more than one and that kind of change rarely if ever remains.

        What are some historical examples, and what others found inspiring about them? Historically speaking, the Holocaust inspired a lot of people, Rosa Parks inspired lots of people as did Martin Luther King, Ghandi and terrorists. Inspiration isn’t always positive and neither is change.

        If the spotlight was turned upon you, what inspiration do you think others might glean from the example of your life? I live my life in a way that I believe makes me the best person I can be in blatant disregard of what those who are unimportant to me think. I think that can be a valued lesson if taken to heart.

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        griz 3 months ago

        @Novelist65
        You are right that it’s an engagement with the collective consciousness. It begins with one person . . . but I really don’t believe it ends there. Every successful interaction with the Higher Good sends ripples throughout the collective consciousness — a lot of times in ways we either don’t see, or quickly lose track of. You can sometimes see your actions based on a choice of higher standards positively affecting someone else. Exceedingly rare is to see how that effect on them positively affects others. And after that, one just loses sight of the initial ripple they caused. (Which it itself could be the effect of someone else’s ripple upon them!).
        We are connected in a collective consciousness as per Jung’s observations.

        Actually you raise a very intelligent point in mentioning the Nazi Holocaust. Even though a despicable evil collective act, we Humans have the ability to not just reflect the same, but to receive these and re-transmit them as positive effect sent forth into the future. I’ve had good exposure to the Jewish community and have seen first-hand groups that have escaped the “victimhood mindset” and now effectively use the great negative to re-broadcast waves of positive. (And there are still some who remain in victimhood and just pass on the negative).

        For what it’s worth, I think you’re on a good path. I myself vary between seeking to be “the best” I can be . . . and simply “being better” than I was yesterday! (Some days, that’s all I can muster, and don’t always succeed!).

        But “Life” (or God if one can allow) has taken me on several adventures where I clearly was NOT at my best when I encountered and interacted with a stranger; yet me being me being mindful that I was trying to be a force for good in the world . . . spun off amazing (and even humbling) lasting effects.

        It would seem that being dedicated to the higher standard of being a force for good in the world . . . would offset even the times when our aim might for the moment, be lower than we would like.

        But if we don’t consciously aim for a higher standard, we are just splashing about, throwing off more destructive waves than good ripples.

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  6. Gina 3 months ago

    Words from James Baldwin.

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      griz 3 months ago

      @Gina
      There’s the idea that putting yourself together properly and acting properly in the world always produces positive change.

      But that we have to sacrifice the notion that it will be the change we wished, and that we will see it play out before us, in the time we allotted, for our gratification.

      I’ve had too many people comment years after the fact that some aspect of me trying to put myself together and live honorably, had a drastic enough positive effect for them to remember it years later.

      Arrogance too often has us thinking we are the ones in control of such things.
      (This is where the justice warriors trip over themselves)

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