Someone wouldn’t answer this question, so I’m posing to the community in general.

Is the age someone is considered a consenting adult higher or lower than the age in which someone realizes their “sexual identity”?




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  1. griz 9 months ago

    Your question highlights a horrendous snafu in the whole “gender identity” ideology. Children have no idea what their “gender identity” is. Apparently even some adults don’t know, so how can we expect a child to know?

    Clinical psychologists know that a number of children, in trying to make sense of the world, dabble with the notion they are the opposite sex/gender. They also know that of this group, over 85% end the perceptual experiment in accepting the identity and reproductive duties of their physically manifest gender. Most of those who do not, go on to become gay or lesbian.

    The parents who are pushing to have their children sexually re-assigned are mainly just virtue-signalling their “progressiveness” to the community and locking their children into an unproductive path that most of them will come to regret. There have been 10-year follow-ups on people who have had full gender-reassignment treatment. While study samples are understandably very very small, the verdict seems to be that suicide-rate (one of the major reasons/excuses for the procedure) either remain unchanged, or rise drastically — depending upon which study one is citing.
    The problem is evidently NOT with social pressures like bullying. Because if there is no physical incongruity between their physical body and the “identified gender”, there is no social pressure or bullying. Only the pressure of trying to live something they know to be false.

    There is no responsible way to assess such a life-altering decision on the child’s subjective assessment alone, whether they truly will become the less than 1% who genuinely suffer with gender identity dysphoria. And it would now seem that the surgery/hormone treatment doesn’t accomplish what is intended.
    I believe President Obama’s own medicare researching determined in 2016 that on the grounds of these studies, using medicare money for the procedure was not warranted.

    But it’s a valid question for those who are band-wagoning on this issue.

    If they suppose a child is old enough to know they need to “gender-reassigned” . . . why would they not be old enough to determine they are ready to have a meaningful sexual relationship with an adult?
    Even a disastrous sexual misadventure can be healed from in time.

    But gender re-assignment is permanent. Once the “offending” tissues are removed, they’re gone.

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    • immortal_pirate 9 months ago

      @griz “why would they not be old enough to determine they are ready to have a meaningful sexual relationship with an adult?
      Even a disastrous sexual misadventure can be healed from in time.”

      DO NOT try to rationalize or legitimize pedophilia. Sex with a child is wrong. It is a crime against a child. No amount of time will heal the wounds of such horrible and disastrous sexual misadventure as you called it. There is only one cure for pedophilia…

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      • luftballooneyegouge 9 months ago

        @immortal_pirate

        So you’d lynch the Nuge’?!??!?!!?

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      • griz 9 months ago

        @immortal_pirate
        It was both a “devil’s advocate” question and response.

        It was in no way an attempt to rationalize or legitimize something horrendous. The line of though was the incongruity in the victimhood groups — asserting on one hand that a child was capable of life-altering sexual decision but not another.

        Many “misadventures” (encounters with evil) can be ameliorated if not outright healed. But only by Spiritual means — which is FAR more powerful than just physical or emotional means.

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    • fosheet 9 months ago

      @griz I agree with what you’re proposing. Albeit I disagree with child/adult relations, so I will propose this….

      Jazz jennings born a male, identified early as female. Family supports Jazz, so much so that Jazz began hormone blockers at age 11 and when Jazz began asking for reassignment at 14 and 15, family backed Jazz. Doctors denied Jazz the surgery, at 16 they began discussing surgery, just a few months ago at 17, Jazz completed general reassignment surgery. Jazz is now female.

      Technically even before becoming a legal adult. So putting pedophilia aside, taking away the sexual intercourse aspect…. Should consenting age really matter? Or should the person in question be an adult? When is too soon to begin or complete gender re-assignment?

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      • griz 9 months ago

        @fosheet
        Hi there. It’s good to see you again.

        Trigger warning. I’m going to speak some truth here that I’ve discovered from my various studies, and the truth can sometimes appear unkind. But the motivation is for precisely identifying a problem so we can start crafting some effective solutions.

        The American psychology Association has never stopped considering gender dysphoria a mental illness. It is classified as a delusional state, in that feelings don’t match manifest reality in a way that handicaps daily life. A lot of mental illnesses exist within that category; and classic therapy to great and successful degree has involved gently realigning the feelings to the manifest reality: NOT supporting or endorsing the delusional state. (Acknowledge that it exists and very real to the sufferer, yes; but not doing anything to help it get stronger).

        But few of these delusional states come with a 46% risk of suicide. Gender dysphoria does. So the pop thinking has been to try to ameliorate this in the worst cases with radical gender reassignment “”therapy””. It’s a radical departure from accepted psychological therapy, but the very great risk of suicide (allegedly due to social pressures like bullying) was deemed just cause. But without data to act on even our best experts were shooting in the dark.

        But we now have some 10-year studies coming out from people who have successfully undergone gender reassessment “therapy”, most from the Scandinavian countries who have really taking a lead in such areas.

        The outcomes were NOT what people expected. A successful transition should mean that most of the social pressure would diminish. The most hopeful of the studies show that suicide rates for men who transitioned dropped to 40%; and remained at 46% for women who transitioned.
        The most condemning of the studies show that suicide rates increased by up to 70%.

        These are still not super long-term studies; and the study group is ludicrously small.

        But the reasoning for these radical therapies is not backed by data.

        Lies sabotage the psychology. Humans can build very convincing constructs of feelings they convince themselves are true; but we always know at some level that we are lying.

        The suitable age for transition is not the true question. The true question is whether this “therapy” is having the desired long-term effects. And the very few studies available to date show that it is not.
        In the US, Obama’s Medicare people decided in 2016, it was not. And for a liberal government to admit that is quite something.

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  2. luftballooneyegouge 9 months ago

    I always assumed that it’s pretty common that people decide that stuff, and have sex before they’re legal.

    I’m assuming in cases of non-straight identities it might take a while for them to figure it out to post-legal age because of the social stigmas & the lack of,…. opportunity to figure it all out.

    I always thought statutory-rape should be re-labeled to Dad-Law or something that sounds less like one is hiding behind bushes holding a greased-up lawn-gnome.

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  3. ladybarbara 9 months ago

    My only experience is with my youngest son, who threw a temper tantrum at four years old — because he thought he was a girl. To be told that he was a boy made him very angry. He spent his childhood trying to be girlish. When I took them to church, he was angry that he had to wear nice jeans and t-shirt, while girls got to dress up in cute dresses and pretty shoes. I ignored his tantrums and ONLY purchased male oriented toys for my sons to play with. He would take his Tonka trucks and share them with the little girls down the street. In turn, they would let him play with their dolls and doll house. When he was 10years old, my husband tried joining Indian Guides. The fathers and sons met in my living room to make feathered head dresses. My son went to his room to get glue, ribbons, and glitter and made a glamorous feathered hat that made my husband so embarrassed that they quit Indian Guides. There was no getting around it. My son wanted to be a girl. He made up his mind that he was a girl when he was four years old.

    When my son was 10, or 11, I was remaking his bed and found a Polaroid picture of a man’s penis under his mattress. I said nothing and put it back where I found it. However, I watched my son and watched to see who was around him, who he played with, and who all of his friends were. I wanted to catch who the penis picture came from. But, all his friends were females. He had no male friends. Even his older brother did not want to be friends with him. He said his brother was “weird” and embarrassing to be around.

    At 12 years old, this son was tall and pre-teen. He ended up in a Foster home where the Foster father introduced my son to sex using a vacuum cleaner hose, and then anal sex and oral sex. My son went into his teens at the same time as Boy George was famous. My son was a Boy George look-alike and the Foster parents encouraged him to dress like Boy George and wear eye make-up. From there, he had a fully gay lifestyle. —— I had no part of it. I signed Articles of Emancipation and walked away from the whole mess. At 15, his life was his own. At 18, the Foster family was no longer going to get money for him, so they put him and his belongings out on the sidewalk. My son was now homeless and working as a prostitute to live on the streets.

    So, he picked his sexuality at a young age. He was introduced to sex at a young age.

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  4. Jear77 9 months ago

    Not sure why this matters… If someone changes their mind about what they want or discovers something in them regarding their sexuality at some later date other than the age of consent, who am i (or you) to naysay them? You may not “swing that way” but to take away someone’s right to do something if they change their mind or have different experiences based on your belief system that forbids it… what gives you the right?

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  5. Novelist65 9 months ago

    In my opinion and experience, the age of consent is higher than the age at which someone is capable of realizing their sexual identity. What difference does it make?

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    • Jear77 9 months ago

      @Novelist65 there are people who decide/ determine/ discover their sexuality much later (midlife)

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  6. fosheet 9 months ago

    I think sexual identify can be determined at any stage in life, there are some children as @ladybarbara pointed out who “just know” while there are others who may finally admit, realize, be able to express later in life. However, the age of consent is agreed upon by law for various states and countries.

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      Weenis 9 months ago

      @fosheet

      Would it be ethical if the law in a state or country stated that the age of consent was 12?

      Or is there an ethical standard that is above the agreed upon law?

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      • fosheet 9 months ago

        @Weenis

        US federal law states “Federal law makes it criminal to engage in a sexual act with another person who is between the age of 12 and 16 if they are at least four years younger than you.”
        Source: https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/statutory-rape-the-age-of-consent.html

        Each states has their own definitions of consenting ages.

        Close-in-age: In Colorado, a person who is under 15 can legally consent to have sex with someone who is no more than 4 years older. Additionally, a person under 17 can legally consent to sex with a person who is no more than 10 years older.

        Misdemeanor carnal knowledge of a juvenile is sexual intercourse with consent between someone age 17 to 19 and someone age 15 to 17 when the difference in their ages is greater than two years.

        In New Jersey, the age of consent for sexual conduct is 16 years old. This applies to both heterosexual and homosexual conduct. As a general matter, this means that a person who is 16 years old can generally consent to have sex with any adult, regardless of age.

        The age of consent for sex is 16 years old for women, while it is 18 years old for men. Having sex with a minor below the age of consent is known as statutory rape. The age of consent law in Wyoming only specifically addresses heterosexual conduct.
        Source: https://www.thesurvivoralliance.com/forallies/legal-age-consent-50-states/

        Every country differs from Nigeria at age of 11 to South Korea at the age of 20. While some countries have no age of consent, but instead require marriage. “Additionally, several Middle Eastern and African countries have no legal age of consent, but ban all sexual relations outside of marriage. This has raised concerns by many international organizations, especially in some countries where girls are married at as young as 9 or 10 years old. Countries with marriage-based ages of consent include Afghanistan, Iran, Kuwait, Lybia…”
        Source: https://www.ageofconsent.net/highest-and-lowest

        These article raises significant questions and valid concerns. We (especially in the US) want everyone else to fall in line with our beliefs. That’s impossible. Are we wrong to be offended by Nigeria’s age of consent law, yes. Can we make them fix it, no. Morally, to us, it is wrong; but that is their custom. Hell, we can’t even, as a nation, agree on our own customs comparing federal definitions to state definitions are a nightmare.

        Is there any one right answer, no. My answer leans toward World Health Organization guidelines. “An adult is a person older than 19 years of age unless national law defines a person as being an adult at an earlier age.

        An adolescent is a person aged 10 to 19 years inclusive.

        A child is a person 19 years or younger unless national law defines a person to be an adult at an earlier age. However, in these guidelines when a person falls into the 10 to 19 age category they are referred to as an adolescent (see adolescent definition).”
        Source: http://www.who.int/hiv/pub/guidelines/arv2013/intro/keyterms/en/

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        Weenis 9 months ago

        @fosheet

        So you’re of the opinion that if it’s legal it’s ethical. So you think that it’s OK that in Nigeria the age of consent is 11?

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      • fosheet 9 months ago

        @Weenis no, to me it isn’t an appropriate age; however it is part of their culture. Who am I to say they are right or wrong when it is not how I was raised.

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        Weenis 9 months ago

        @fosheet

        Does culture determine ethical standards, or do ethical standards transcend culture?

        For instance, it’s a cultural norm to stone homosexuals in Muslim countries. Is this ethically good because the culture says it’s good or is there a transcendent standard that would dictate that stoning homosexuals is bad?

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      • fosheet 9 months ago

        @Weenis this is something I’m going to have to think on. I found a website to look at, but I’m too tired right now to look at it, but you might get something from it.

        http://www.ethicsdefined.org/what-is-ethics/morals-vs-ethics/

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        Weenis 9 months ago

        @fosheet

        Thanks for the link. It doesn’t really help answer, specifically, the question regarding age of consent.

        Also, thank you for looking for an answer and trying to think through it. Let me know if you come to any conclusions or want to discuss it.

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