• If your soul did exist before birth, where did it exist, how did it exist?

    • griz replied 2 weeks ago

      The Spirit of Life in me did.
      My soul? (the “lost” aspect of spirit)? Probably not.

      What I’m currently postulating is the idea that everything started with Unity — and to large degree the now-manifest Natural world continues in a form of that unity. Even the aspects of Nature we might deem “ugly” have a functional beauty to the that works together to keep the over-arching Spirit of Life instantiated in them a more-or-less stable continuance.

      Humans are different. We have within us the capability for separation and dis-unity from this should we choose to continue in it. (It seems to be a “default position” and active chose is required to transcend it). And my current thought is that it is for a designated purpose.

      That being something akin to our learning to discern between the Great Unity and the dis-unity, and learning to exercise free moral agency first within, and then over this dichotomy.

      And then the allegation is that when this physical mortal episode is over those who choose actively and wisely will be welcomed back into and become a self-aware part of Continuance of Unity.
      And those who choose to celebrate the dis-unity in this exercise, will be “rewarded” with the eternal disenfranchisement from from the Unified Continuance of Life that they craved.
      (Though how long such “energy” can avoid ultimate dissipation when separated from “The Source” is anyone’s guess).

    • I think there must be some abyss where we wait between lives and we have all recycled through the ages, through many lives. We come back to learn the lessons that we could not surmount in a past life. We will keep recycling until we learn everything we need to know.

      • @ladybarbara
        I can understand the appeal of such a belief.
        Any thought on where it comes from? (The ideology and the psychology?)

        It has a certain video game appeal where one has endless lives to accomplish the task.

        • @griz Church of Religious Science taught me that. Reverend Robert Schuller — yes, the one from the Crystal Cathedral on TV. Before there was a Crystal Cathedral there was a drive-in church called The Church of Religious Science in Orange County, CA. Rev, Robert Schuller would get up by the screen of the drive-in theater and say, “Come as you are, but stay in your car,… Please!!!” We would put a speaker in the window of the car and listen to the sermon while we changed out of our pajamas and nightgowns, and took hair rollers out of our hair to brush it out. When I took a class on Metaphysics, my teacher was Dale Southwick, who was better known as “Chubbie” on the Little Rascals films. The one who ate Limburger cheese out of a jar and stank up the place. Dale Southwick taught children’s classes in metaphysics ( at the Church of Religious Science) and that we have a soul that has lived through many lives and how to relax and have out-of-the-body experiences. He taught us the art of transcending from one mind set to another —- ie —- you are angry and outraged, unless you CHOOSE not to be and you accept reality as it is , note it, and get on with your life. Or, consider the source and move on. It is what it is and outrage won’t change it.

          I learned so much from the Church of Religious Science / Science of the Mind from Norman Vincent Peale and his book Science of Mind/ The Power of Positive Thinking. His work was taken up by Ernest Holmes – Believe in Yourself – Law of Attraction – Science of Mind.
          I learned that it is mind over matter. If you don’t learn in this life, you will get the same lessons in your next life. Why not learn in THIS life???

          • @ladybarbara
            I am no stranger to the teachings assertions and edicts of “religious experts” in my youth.

            Some were well-meaning. I’ve always been empirically curious; and also not so inclined to take something at face value just because it came from a certain person. I would often hear, “some things just need to be taken on faith”.
            Spiritual truths are not easily articulated; and many of them we have to actually experience ourselves. And this was the only answer a spiritual leader could give to someone who wanted everything right now on an empirical platter.

            But I’ve also seen this process venture far too many times into the proclamations servicing feelings more than Truth (indoctrination, psycho-spiritual dependency). A rather banal example can be found in most churches Sunday School departments where there is a portrait allegedly of Jesus. He is Caucasian, well-groomed, and gorgeously beautiful with hardly a single Eastern Mediterranean characteristic about him. The truth of a dusty hairy smelly ungroomed olive-skinned Messiah would utterly sabotage their religious construct.

            Catering to feelings rather than to truth is a time-honored marketing strategy.

            I like what you say in your last sentence. I don’t know if I’m going to get more than one kick at the can; so there’s great motivation and making sure that this one is absolutely everything that I can make it.

            • @griz When I die and they display me in a casket, instead of prayer beads in my hand, let me be holding a fork. ———– At a dinner party when your dinner plate is taken, if there will be a dessert treat coming next, they always say, “Save your fork.” That means that what comes next is going to be good. So, save your fork.

          • @ladybarbara
            Around the time I was a toddler, I LoVeD Robert Schuller & the Crystal Cathedral. It was one of my favorite shows. I literally thought he was God, & God would come on to the TV to tell us what we should do.

            My last favorite TV preacher was Robert Tilton……
            We’d smoke and laugh our asses off.

    • Likely not, especially since I’d posit there’s no such thing

      • @Jear77
        What is your evidence for this position?

        (Remembering that lack of evidence is not evidence in itself)

        • @griz you don’t need proof/ evidence for to believe in a soul, conversely, I don’t need proof for the same.

          • @Jear77
            Well, that slope is a little slippery!

            Because if one stance is foolish for lack of data, so must the other be.

            Here is an interesting way to look at it. There is a tool kit that tells us what things are and what they are made of. That is science.

            There’s another tool kit for telling us how to best act in the world. That has more to do with the psychology the spirit and what people call the soul.

            • @griz yet if this *other* toolkit were 100% accurate, reliable, & noteworthy there’d be no divorces, broken relationships, crime, unemployment, etc. by those following said system. Also, those who followed it would be rich, charasmatic, and be sought out after the world round. Furthermore, there would be such a mad rush to be indoctrinated into the system, from every belief system, the other ones would have vanished long before now! Seeing as it’s not… there’s something vastly flawed in holding up your ideology as being the one and only truth that matters…

              • griz replied 1 week ago

                @Jear77
                Throughout Human History things have gone horrendously awry when we’ve harbored Utopian expectations.

                Especially instantaneous Utopian expectations.

                Or erroneous expectations of ideological indoctrination rather than a fellowship unto a kind of freedom that bears little resemblance to “zero accountability”. (That’s not freedom, but a return to childishness).

                This spins into even more bitterness and resentment if we’re not using the tools properly. (There are instructions, and a great degree of freedom in how we might try to apply them — with positive results being the measure.)

                As God said to Cain, paraphrased: “This is all on you. You not only invited in the predatory cat prowling around your door, you entered into creative union with it! And now all you have is bitterness, cascading into resentment, cascading into murderous rage”.

                • @griz instantaneous? No. If you go by Christian timelines, we are a minimun of 2000 years past Christ’s death. Given that we haven’t embraced this fellowship as a people/ human race, it’s not possible. So that means any attempt to say it’s effective is nothing but an illusion by those who wish to claim it.

                  • griz replied 1 week ago

                    @Jear77
                    Please put 2000 years into evolutionary time-span of our species as “sufficient time” for such a revolutionary spiritual transformation to take place on a socially-collective level.

                    I would be the last person to say that very rapid transformation can and does happen — because I’m a example of this process.
                    But to judge it as somehow “lacking” for all of the people to like Cain, fail to make the necessary sacrifices . . . is conveniently callow and self-serving unto the fear of taking personal responsibility for the existential reality that is before us.

                    “Take up your cross and follow me” points to the degree of sacrifice necessary. We need to fully own the existential suffering that is a part of self-awareness and the free-choice that we all BEHAVE as if we have (and take offense at the impression someone is denying it to us!)!!

                    Rather than try to dodge this responsibility or put it upon another (or the very nature of reality), is NOT a suitable sacrifice. And to grow bitter and resentful because it does not work, just makes us Cain — running about seeking to murder the “high ideal” that we sort of half-heartedly sacrificed for as if it was something of value.

                    But were “called” on the insufficiency of our sacrifice.

                    • @griz Christianity claims instant transformation. Claims of evolutionary time frame negated.

                      • @Jear77
                        You’ve excluded half of what the Apostle Paul said about the transformation.

                        It is both an event and a process.

                        And it is NEVER accomplished through religious performance.

  • Reading Plato this week. Socrates introduces the idea that the ideas of justice, beauty, truth etc exist in the cosmos independent of human thought. He also asserts that we must have had knowledge of the ideas

    • griz replied 2 weeks ago

      I think they do. Mainly because they are things that we are drawn to; have to “go to” and “join with”.

      The Spiritual line of reasoning asserts that these are Transcendent Principles that in so far as our limited reasoning and experience can grasp, always existed.

      A more Darwinian line of thinking asserts that these are principles that marked the evolutionary process between those of our ancestors who “reached” for these principles and continued; and those who did not and were “selected against”.

      It remains that processes within Humanity we might assess as ugly or unjust can cause great localized devastation within the fabric of Life. But even a small exercise of beauty and justice can overcome it — first in the individual but then spreading through processes like inspiration and exhortation.

    • They do.
      They have,
      and they always will.
      Far too limited is the human perception of reality.
      There is a divine intelligence to the universe, which for the most part is beyond human comprehension.

    • I can only remember the thoughts I had as a baby. Even while still in diapers, My thoughts were clear. I had time to contemplate and sort out the meaning of my dreams —- which I understood — in those years of diapers and learning to hold my own bottle of milk. I knew, for sure, that running away without a plan (of where I was going and what I would do) was something I would never do again. When Grandpa put me on his knee and told me it was a horse I was riding …. — No, I knew his knee felt nothing like a real horse. I knew, for sure, how it felt to get up on a real horse. I knew that denim and leather felt nothing like wads of cotton diapers. I knew that balancing in a saddle and holding the reins felt nothing like having Grandpa’s big hands gripping on my little arms. When I came across a barrier that was fence-like, I thought of the fence on a ranch —- and not the reality of a kitchen chair turned sideways to keep me from going into Grandma’s kitchen while the newly mopped floor was wet. I remembered sunsets before this incarnation had ever seen a real sunset. I knew beauty when I found it. But, this is all confined within a human experience and human memories of a past life and past life experiences —- passing through the mind of a baby too small to even hold my own baby bottle when I drank squirts of milk. I grew to a tot who regarded the underside of Grandma’s table clothed table as my own “tent”. I sat on the pedestal legs as my own seating chairs. Mom had a table that she put a lamp on. When she covered it with a long tablecloth, it became my own tent world where no one would harm me. No one would tell me what to do, and justice was mine. It had a lower shelf that kept me off the floor and felt comforting to sit on and hide from the world. How did I know the concept of a “tent” without ever seeing a real tent??? I finally saw a real tent when I was four years old. How did I know that justice is mine, when it meant the freedom to live as I choose. My own justice and fairness of my own life by my own rules.

      Little did I know then that these same pieces of my baby world would stay with me and be a part of my life as I grow older —– to the end of my life.

      This morning, I sat at that same table that my Grandma once owned. I rest my feet on the pedestal legs that were chairs for my diapered butt, as a baby toddler. That same lamp table my Mom owned, now has a bin of cat food on the under shelf where I used to sit and hide from the world. It has a cat feeder on it, and is used as a high place for the cats to jump up on and eat without being disturbed. I wonder if the cat that sits under the table is thinking that she is in her own little tent world. Where nothing can harm her.

    • Potentially, but not as we think of them. They exist on top of the universe’s chaos, entropy, pushing it aside for a time. Yet, in the end these factors win the day.

    • I think so. They said when Koko the signing gorilla found out Robin Williams died she cried.

  • Recently watched the movie, Interstellar. I’m a little behind on my movie watching, and this movie was made in 2014. if you haven’t seen it, I highly recommend it! In the movie, the protagonist goes on a dangerous

    • griz replied 2 weeks ago

      I’ll have to find time for the movie.

      But I appreciate your giving a summary to mull over!

      From my studies so far I would initially suggest that our base emotions are both a great asset AND a potentially fatal flaw.

      The main difference, is in how we choose to use them/be used by them. (A common theme in my posts over the years).

      It’s like asking if a chainsaw is a boon or a bane. It totally depends upon how one chooses to use it. We are the “moral agency” capable of dividing between the process Creative and the process Destructive in this moment.

    • I’ve watched the movie several times, and the one take away that stands out most prominent to me is “Intelligent Design”, where the main character is trapped if you will in the library. He is between time present, past, and future, and communicates with his daughter by knocking the wrist watch off of the shelf…but only after surviving passage through a black hole.
      That can only happen in a universe designed by a Divine Intelligence.

    • INTERSTELLAR – Movie Endings Explained (2014) Christopher Nolan, Matthew McConaughey sci-fi film SPOILER…

    • I could never get through that movie without falling asleep, as it jumped from one time to another — in space and on Earth. I got that time runs slower in space, however, that abyss of the worm hole and being behind the bookshelves just got me lost and I fell asleep.

    • I haven’t seen the movie, so I’m trying to avoid reading most of the Spoilerish content people are posting about it.

      The subject makes me think of the theories that say insanity is a trait in humans that have helped us to evolve into creatures that can reshape our surroundings more than any other planet-Earth-bound species.

      I think humans are specks in the cosmos who think we’re more important than we are, but we’re worth saving just like the bees, even though many humans are poisoning them.

  • “The great man theory is a 19th-century idea according to which history can be largely explained by the impact of great men, or heroes; highly influential individuals who, due to either their personal charisma,

    • Through out history, charismatic leaders have had the ability to move and motivate people with their words. This of coarse applies to both men and women of historical significance within the scope of their influence and time period. Yet not all of them were a positive influence on their societies. The one trait they all shared though, was the ability to speak directly to the people. They knew how to manipulate events, some times even causing certain events to occur that bolstered their campaign for power within those societies. They all were well practiced in the art of seduction. Now mind you, the term seduction doesn’t necessarily imply a sexual connotation, although that too has been employed by some.

      In ancient Egypt, Cleopatra was said to be sexually seductive and used it to gain favor and power, yet she was rather plain and not at all physically attractive.

      Genghis Khan of Mongolia was dyslexic, illiterate, and had a slight speech impediment, yet he rallied his troops and conquered most of Asia and Eastern Europe during his reign of terror.

      The list of historical figures is far greater in length than I have the inclination to post here, suffice it to say, history is rife with men (and women) who possessed the ability to use words to impact history in a decisive manner. Some positive and some negative.

      I believe the “secret” to being the catalyst for change, is the ability of the great leaders in history to convince the populous that it was the will of the people to bring about whatever change occurred or would occur to the benefit of the society as a whole.
      Be it good or bad, change is inevitable…

    • Not completely, but if a leader stands up and harnesses the frustrations of the people, they can make anything happen. The will of the people can do a lot on their own and the will is totally needed, but if focused by a leader on very particular areas and the leader acting as a megaphone, that is where change will most likely happen. Leaders are also great for morale boosts. People can be energized by them. Makes them fight harder and longer. So, yea, I don’t feel comfortable saying it is completely on a leader, but it most definitely helps and is more likely to happen than just the people.

    • Movements & Revolutions Die Internally when they become dependent on an individual instead of a united team.

    • Actually this traces all the way back to Biblical Old Testament pre-History.

      Where the “hero” was the one who “left their father’s home” to venture out bravely into the unknown to accept and be tested by the existential realities of existence and learn the proper way to relate/interact with Life.

      Smaller populations — and the very nature of oral record-keeping meant that such exemplars were remembered and passed down (Noah, Abraham, Joseph) . . . as well as exemplars of how NOT to do it (Cain, Jacob, Jonah, Saul).

      Great men and women still exist, in all sizes, shapes and degrees. Larger populations mean that changes often don’t happen in large enough an arena for History to take note.
      But those whom History does take note of . . . are ALWAYS people who are awake, with eyes open, who are brave enough to get the heck out of their slumbering comfort-zone and interact with Life in the same kind of meaningful, noble and intentional way that “heros of old” did.

  • its easier to forgive the friend because I am invested in having them in my life.

  • @ladybarbara yeah, the book said that the woman in q was stabbed in the throat in a past life and every time she comes back she has fears related to her neck/throat.

  • @immortal_pirate do you believe thats true? or is that just something humans made up – the afterlife being tied to our behavior?

  • @Yin the book I read suggested much of what lb and ip say below. The book was by a past life transgression therapist who claimed to have had a client who reported 86 past lives. The claim was that we choose to come back. the purpose of coming back is to resolve debts that we have caused through our behaviors. it is also to learn and grow, and to…[Read more]

  • @griz we do have a tendency to apply only what we see and what we think we can know to the entire universe. the book I read was from a past life transgressionist who claimed that one of his patients recalled having 86 lives, and that some “masters” spoke to her from beyond. it was said he uncovered all of this from hypnosis. as to archetypal…[Read more]

  • Recently had a book recommended to me. it was an older book, Many Lives, Many Masters. The book was about reincarnation and past life regression therapy. While reading, I kept thinking, why did this person

    • While those are attempts to understand the existential human condition they are apples and oranges.

      The idea of a deity recognizes that we are keyed to work the best when we Aim High, carry a burden and make the proper sacrifices as a sort of contract with the future.

      Reincarnation ties in with what Carl Jung called the collective unconscious, where the grand archetypes of Life dwell. They are the things that we know that we don’t know that we know until they are presented to us in a form we can relate to.
      For example you don’t really need to teach a child that a fire breathing dragon hoarding treasure makes sense. Or that Pinocchio had to dive to the depths of the great chaos to save his father from the most monstrous thing before he could become “real”. Even adults will accept these things without raising an eyebrow.

      In more primitive philosophies it was far easier to believe that when something triggers an archetypical memory in you that you are remembering another life rather than tapping into the collective unconscious.
      Other philosophical disciplines have different names for the same thing. Various native cultures believe this wisdom came from the spirits of those who came before us. Even in Christianity there’s the idea of a great body of witnesses in spiritual places.

      My personal thought is that reincarnation keys off of just the physical world. Our ancestors saw how physical matter was recycled and then tried to apply the same thinking to the spirit in a way that helped manage the fear of death and give a sense of ongoing meaning.

      But stop to think about the exact set of combinations and permutations the make you what you are probably have never existed before and never will again.

      It would seem to make more sense to me that while the physical components are a cycle the spiritual is a continuum.

      If you become someone else how are you still you?

      I’ll try to answer the rest of your questions each in its own post.

      • @griz we do have a tendency to apply only what we see and what we think we can know to the entire universe. the book I read was from a past life transgressionist who claimed that one of his patients recalled having 86 lives, and that some “masters” spoke to her from beyond. it was said he uncovered all of this from hypnosis. as to archetypal memories, where are they stored? are they stored in our cells?

        • @Scarlett
          A wise teacher/parent allows a child their childish understandings without judging them harshly. I think we are wise to do the same with past attempts to understand the Human Condition.

          And also keeping in mind that sometimes the child can surprise us with very simple understandings of things we have made overly complex!

          If someone says they relate the grand picture through 86 past lives, it is not my place to say no that never happened.

          But it may be my place to say that if I tried something 86 times and still didn’t get it right, I would not want to make that a point of boasting or “special-ness”!
          And I would also note that if we doubt our unique specialness, our minds are capable of coming up with some amazing constructs to reinforce that which is deeply doubted.
          (And this could be tied to the modern proclivity of preaching to children over and over how uniquely special they are; and not seeing it manifest in their adult lives they become desperate to prove it is so. I know this opens the door to another discussion, and would welcome it).

          Jung proposed that the collective unconsciousness was either programmed into us at a genetic level. Some might add that either this; or that the ability to access it from somewhere beyond self, was genetically programmed into us.

          But this view is not popular with social constructionists. Their ideology relies upon us being an undifferentiated blank slate that the society than stamps an image of itself upon. It is all “nurture” and no “nature”; which then gives them the Divine Right of stamping what the collective thinks is right upon the individual.

          This strays into a kind of Neo Marxism that seeks to undo some of the greatest revelations of Western Society like sanctity of the individual, and each person having a spark of the Divine in them that makes them innate worth.

          The atrocities of Marxism were only possible, in a framework of the individual having no innate worth.
          The belief of people born as entirely blank slates makes Marxism inevitable.
          (that’s still just a supposition and I’m open to challenges on it)

    • I personally think it would be rather fun to try everything all over again.
      And this is what gives reincarnation its appeal, especially with the idea that knowledge wisdom and personality are somehow preserved in whole or in part.

      As for the continuance of spirit in some spiritual reality, we really have less than zero notion of what that may manifest as. The religious notion of stagnant Perfection really doesn’t have much appeal to me personally.

      But who’s to say religion got it right?!

      I think the spiritual afterlife will be magnificent beyond comprehension.
      So much so that we will wonder how the toy of physical existence ever amused us so.
      (Where are the toys of your Youth and how much are they missed? If you are doing adulthood correctly you probably don’t miss them all that much save for the sake of nostalgia).

      • @griz Awwwwe! I miss sitting in dirt and serving my cousins tiny mud cakes on itty-bitty saucers, with tiny tea cups filled with germy hose water. The tea pot had hose water, too, so we could all drink a second cup.

        • @ladybarbara
          And having everything to rediscover as if for the first time again, would be an amazing adventure!

          Especially if I could somehow retain the wisdom of how anti-fragile I can be when not glorying in victimhood.

    • I’d believe in reincarnation before a deity, yea. Though, are we talking about a soul transferring kind of reincarnation? Or just the idea that our consciousness could be created again? I’d believe the latter more, but both more than a deity. Just the idea of a conscious cosmic creator is just so more far-fetched. I mean, we know humans exist. We know our consciousness was created at least this one time. It is so much more reasonable to believe it could happen again than it is something we have never experienced before.

      No, I wouldn’t come back. If I had to choose one or the other, I’d do Heaven since I am assuming there is a lack of pain or pain causing things there. I’d go with neither though if given the choice. I’d rather not deal with pain or boredom. I mean, boredom is sometimes painful. I fear coming back. I got pretty lucky this time. The likelihood that I’d be as lucky or luckier next time is just not a good gamble. I don’t gamble with those kind of stakes.

      • @Yin the book I read suggested much of what lb and ip say below. The book was by a past life transgression therapist who claimed to have had a client who reported 86 past lives. The claim was that we choose to come back. the purpose of coming back is to resolve debts that we have caused through our behaviors. it is also to learn and grow, and to have relationships. it suggests these bodies are just vehicles for us. yeah, it seemed a little tough for me to believe. I don’t mind exploring different schools of thought, tho. When it was over I completed a past life meditation on you tube. do you ever do those hypnotic meditation type thingy’s? well at any rate, I do. I have found that I go into different dream states or trance states when I do them. this time the meditation said for me to recall something from a life I had 10,000 years ago. I did not do this, but I saw a clear image of a Guatemalan woman screaming.

        • @Scarlett I used to believe in reincarnation when I read so many stories of kids who would tell some wild stories of them dying or had accurate information of someone’s life they have never met. Then there was story after story of kids who were declared dead for a little that ended up going around saying they saw Heaven, but then those stories usually ended up being discovered of being created by the parents. I just started feeling that there just was too much dishonesty that I couldn’t trust any of it.

          If the debt thing is true, then this must be my first life because I’m not resolving anything with how my life is going, lol. No, I don’t do meditation stuff. I mean, I sit with my thoughts, but I never do those kinds of exercises. I just don’t think I could do that or hypnosis. Seems like one needs to drift off with it. If I sit down to do that, I’m not drifting anywhere. I’d be too focused on listening or thinking of other things. That’s too much mental control for me. I find it pretty interesting though.

    • In it’s simplest, reincarnation is the recycling process for the soul. One keeps coming back until all necessary lessons have been learned to enable one to transcend to a higher plane of existence. There are two major schools of thought that follow this concept of reincarnation:
      A) Ascension, where the soul advances to the next higher plane through good deeds/ works in each lifetime, incrementally until nirvana or a heavenly afterlife is reached.

      B) Descention, where the soul is punished by incarnating to a lower life form such as a dog or cow, or cock roach (you really must have fucked up to become a cock roach and it sucks to be you).

      In either case, one has a participatory choice in ones ultimate destiny. The same could be said of a monotheistic deity based belief system. Ones afterlife destiny is strongly tied to ones behaviors in this life.

      • @immortal_pirate
        it is an interesting philosophy with a certain appeal: endless chances to get it right.

        But while the idea of recycling is echoed in physical nature, the idea of endless chances to get it right doesn’t seem to be. I wonder if there was a realistic basis for this in the natural world; if it was their take on the idea of collective consciousness; or if it was just wishful thinking?

        I also wonder what kind of life would result in coming back as a hillbilly.
        ReinTarnation!

      • @immortal_pirate do you believe thats true? or is that just something humans made up – the afterlife being tied to our behavior?

    • Reincarnation is most believable to me, simply because I had dreams of the end of my last life when I was a baby. The terror of drowning stayed with me. I could even work it out in my baby mind —- as Grandma changed my diapers and I stared up at her red window curtains —- I had been in a wagon pulled by horses, or the first of the Ford motorcars. I remember only the frame of a window — a wooden bridge — panic as I was fleeing from an abusive man!!! I broke through the guard rail and went into the water. My dress skirts, my bussel, and high top laced boots with high heel did not allow me to swim. I was tangled in my skirts, then the laces of my boot got caught on the hook tabs of the other boot — locking my ankles together. I could not swim!!! The last memory in the dream was a burning in my lungs. I would always wake up crying. Grandma didn’t know what was wrong with me, and I was too young to express myself in words.

      When I was 2 years old, I was living with my Aunt Katherine. The dream of drowning was still haunting my sleep. I could tell Aunt Katherine, but she just laughed at my silly dream. “I can’t swim!!!” was all I could get across to her and I HATED my Dr. Scholl’s shoes with the laces and tab-hooks at the top!

      As a teen ager, I still could not learn to swim. Only doing a dog paddle got me to shore as I learned to surf. My roller skates had high top boots that had laces and tab-hooks and I would take pliers and squeeze my tab-hooks closed — so my boots would not lace up. It looked sloppy when I danced on roller skates. I had to get a low-cut boys skate. I can’t stand for my ankles to be bound up.

      As a grown-ass adult, who should be able to overcome silly fears, I still cannot swim. I have tried and tried to swim, but always panic. I have combat boots to wear here in the rugged desert. The tab-hooks are pinched closed with pliers, and I will not lace the laces tight. —– I know, such silliness, but it is a real fear that I tried to shake and cannot rise above it.

      Well, I will try again in my next life.

      • @ladybarbara yeah, the book said that the woman in q was stabbed in the throat in a past life and every time she comes back she has fears related to her neck/throat.

    • Not really… tho there is some limited evidence…

    • MAybe God keeps dying and reincarnating, and that’s why it gets dark at night…

    • Tomb stone…lol

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