• @luftballooneyegouge well, I don’t think I ever claimed to be perfect and as I openly accept your criticism, I can also accept that I feel like a piece of shit. Thank you. It helps me realize that I am probably more of a negative influence in here than I had hoped to be. So, Sayonara and may your life be fruitful. To be honest, I think I needed…[Read more]

  • @Jear77 OK, as usual, rather than deal with the specific issue, you use it to stand on your soapbox of rhetoric and express your anger at God for personally bum fucking you because you don’t have what you asked for.

    Can you remove that stick for just a moment…you can put it back in later… and read the original post and say something…[Read more]

  • @luftballooneyegouge It says it all in MJ’s mission statement

    Your mix in continuing on the journey through art, culture, philosophy, science, spirituality, life, and humor.
    Challenge your ideas, share your passions, make connections and create friendships in this collective community. Welcome to the Sequel.

    If everyone subscribed to…[Read more]

  • Sorry Immortal Pirate. I can’t see your response. I just got tired of the negativity and the belittling humour towards anyone who didn’t share your opinion. No sense in commenting towards me unless your only purpose is in entertaining others who are on track with your sense of humour. It’s too bad for me, because there were occasional glimpses of…[Read more]

  • @griz Thank you for taking the time and making the effort to actually address the issue with good information that helps me understand the issue more.

    I can accept that I will never know everything that will make my opinions perfect, but having a map to guide me in towards an unattainable destination at least gives me a sense of purpose and…[Read more]

  • @luftballooneyegouge so by not actually paying you for this observation; I get my value?

    I may as well say it. You are one of the people who’s opinion I usually respect. But when you try to address a serious issue with an attempt at humour that slides towards the negative; it leaves me disappointed.

    Maybe talking trash makes you feel better…[Read more]

  • @Jear77 Your statements clearly indicate an opinion that doesn’t allow for alternatives. That’s the point. Its not telling you to believe one thing or another. It is suggesting that you be open to ideas of which you do not have total awareness of all the facts.

    Have you ever learned something new that changed your opinion? A free thinker is…[Read more]

  • I saw this on Reddit and didn’t believe it, so I checked and lo and behold, there he was. Number One. First. Top of the heap.

    Reddit might be a form of true Democracy. Upvotes are for the people, by the people.

  • “Freethinkers are those willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but

    • Please put this recipe for Thai beef salad in your book. It’s sure to delight the readers.

      Thai beef salad

      Serves: 4

      –Ingredients:–

      500 g rump steak, trimmed of all visible fat

      200 g rocket or mixed lettuce leaves, washed and drained

      2 Lebanese cucumbers, thinly sliced

      1 punnet cherry tomatoes

      2 tablespoons mint leaves, finely sliced

      Pepper to taste

      –Thai-style dressing–

      2 cloves garlic, crushed

      1/4 cup coriander leaves

      1 small red chilli, seeds removed and chopped, (use 2 chillies if you like it spicy)

      2 tablespoons lime or lemon juice

      1 tablespoon fish sauce

      1 tablespoon palm or brown sugar

      6 spring onions, sliced

      –Cooking method:–
      Season the meat with pepper.
      Cook in a non-stick pan over a high heat until well browned on both sides but rare inside. (Depending on the pan used, you may need to brush the pan surface lightly with oil to prevent the meat from sticking). Transfer the meat to a plate and allow it to rest for 4 to 5 minutes.
      In a bowl create a salad by combining the rocket (or mixed lettuce leaves), cucumber, cherry tomatoes and mint.
      Slice the meat thinly across the grain and add to the salad mix.
      To make the dressing, place the garlic, coriander, chillies, lime juice, fish sauce, sugar and spring onions in a food processor and process until well blended, about 1 minute.
      Pour the dressing over the salad and toss lightly. Serve.

    • I am a free thinker, though I disagree with the statement. IMHO religion (belief in something greater than one’s self) stops free thinking because one’s own free thought, actions, and intentions are constrained to a holy book that knows nothing about modern day life.

      I don’t *fear* things that clash with my beliefs, to me it’s a thing of proof. Logic says that an all powerful, all wise, being that is everywhere, everyWHEN wouldn’t allow the disparities of life that exist through economics, disease, and ability.

      Why would we believe in such a thing without proof? why would we change our thoughts? Why would we change what we do based on this? A free thinker says… no, we can’t, and it’s not right to do so.

      • @Jear77 Your statements clearly indicate an opinion that doesn’t allow for alternatives. That’s the point. Its not telling you to believe one thing or another. It is suggesting that you be open to ideas of which you do not have total awareness of all the facts.

        Have you ever learned something new that changed your opinion? A free thinker is defined by the ability to remain open minded that they don’t have all the facts ever to really be locked into a permanent position.

        Focus on the Tolstoy quote, not my prayer. The prayer was to illustrate a hope and I had to direct it somewhere, because; what else offers the perception of all knowing?

        Look at you. A while ago you were a total hyperbolic christian and something motivated you to change. Now you are a hyperbolic opposite. Why not hang out nearer the centre and lean towards a position, until you have ALL the information…which we never will have.

        • @Spitfire3dC an opinion of “i don’t have all the facts” would have me still demanding 100% proof. How would it be wise to change my outlook based on others’ feelings, life stories when when the rubber meets the road, there isn’t much reason to follow the teachings if said following can’t even match or beat the placebo effect 72%. And the bible explicitly states that answers would be given when 2 or more are gathered. How many people have died with others praying for their recovery. How many relationships are still broken? How many wars continued? I am to the point i’d want proof even in the afterlife. Just because some dude in heaven has the marks of Jesus’ crucifixion, means nothingm. There were lots of crucifixion victims. Take me back in time and show me. While you’re at it, smat every point of not only my own life, but everyone else’s throughout the entirety of timr how belief in anx obedience to him/ her/ it would have made everything better.

          • @Jear77 OK, as usual, rather than deal with the specific issue, you use it to stand on your soapbox of rhetoric and express your anger at God for personally bum fucking you because you don’t have what you asked for.

            Can you remove that stick for just a moment…you can put it back in later… and read the original post and say something relevant to that. God will just have to wait before you go back to your ineffective attempts to communicate your contempt.

            Do you honestly believe that 100% proof of ANYthing exists? Give me something that you are 100% sure of and I will openly receive it and only refute it if I know something that you don’t.

            • @Spitfire3dC there’s an old joke that goes something like this: “it’s good to have an open mind… just make sure that your brain doesn’t fall out in the process.”

              Free thinking is just a tool… the problem with it is that it can come up with some idiocy like “the earth is flat” and “the moon landing was faked.” We can say “we don’t have all the answers” all we want, but at the same time are some answers we might not want. Who wants the knowledge of their own death? Who, if they really understood the other person at their deepest level, wants to hurt others? We’d quickly find out that we are all the same at some fundamental level. Yet hurt each other and die we do daily. Far better to be an animal of instinct, so we don’t have this knowledge… which is why i say that free will and consciousness are the *worst* things in existence. I’m not an atheist because I hurt and care too little, but because I hurt and care too MUCH! To put a pop cultural reference to it, I’d be like Papyrus in Undertale (if you don’t understand, watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDrcBVNxKcc).

              As far as my free thinking… I don’t think I could be as good of a writer if I wasn’t as much of a free thinker as I am. This is how I write my articles: I think about a topic, and see where it leads me to in thought. Then I do research, and as I get information, I’ll copy and paste it from different places into a word document and piece things together. In fact, if I got a job for a project at a church, I’d probably find out the exact language needed and do my best to make something that I could put on my resume. What? you think just because I don’t believe, I’d sacrifice my integrity as a graphic artist and writer?

    • This website used to have plenty of free thinkers…then the liberal leftists here “logic shamed” them, slammed them for the way they thought or beliefs they held, and in disgust for the behavior of the liberals the free thinkers departed. The leftists constantly try that shit on me, but being who and how I am, I refuse to be run off. You’re all stuck with me…I’m the guy (along with Weenis) that brings balance to the force.
      I DO understand things that clash with my beliefs…that alone is why I refuse to leave.

      • @immortal_pirate
        Uhh. Actually the trait-liberals trend more towards being the free-thinkers. They are the “chaos” that can deal with change, and trait-conservatives tend to be the stabilizing “order”. Yes, conservatives (both trait and political) do bring balance in the face of too much chaos. But without the chaos we are no longer a dynamic species. We become a stagnant species unable to deal with change.

        I tried to introduce this in a thread on bipartisan tribal warfare in the political game too many people play without regard for penalties they accrue. One side is only “a balance” when the other side is “out of balance”. But few wanted to participate beyond rhetoric and sniping.
        Right now, both sides are waxing more and more out of balance — both creating and feeding into the increasing social rifts that will eventually destroy the nation if not addressed.

        It’s like a car over-steering a lane-change. Each correction becomes it’s own over-steer and the car fishtails down the interstate until it finally crashes into the guardrail or leaves the road and hits a tree.

    • With free-thinkin’ y’get what you pay for.
      I’d love to see the looks on your head-fronts when you all get my bill.

      Let’s see here, at 2¢ a thought,……..?!?!?!?

      • @luftballooneyegouge so by not actually paying you for this observation; I get my value?

        I may as well say it. You are one of the people who’s opinion I usually respect. But when you try to address a serious issue with an attempt at humour that slides towards the negative; it leaves me disappointed.

        Maybe talking trash makes you feel better about yourself, but I wish you would use your smarts to help others maybe work towards being better ourselves. It should be a team effort on here going towards the same goal, instead of this constant team against team, or even “I” against everyone.

        So how do you respond as I set you up for another bit of witty repartee? Please try to address the actual issue being discussed with your opinion. I’d like to hear it.

        • @Spitfire3dC sent this to the complaint department,

          “Maybe talking trash makes you feel better about yourself, but I wish you would use your smarts to help others maybe work towards being better ourselves. It should be a team effort on here going towards the same goal, instead of this constant team against team, or even “I” against everyone.”

          So what’s this “same goal” I’m SuPp0sed to be cheerleading along with everybody else,…. in the name of free-thinking……

          • @luftballooneyegouge It says it all in MJ’s mission statement

            Your mix in continuing on the journey through art, culture, philosophy, science, spirituality, life, and humor.
            Challenge your ideas, share your passions, make connections and create friendships in this collective community. Welcome to the Sequel.

            If everyone subscribed to Tolstoy’s definition of a free thinker, maybe all of us would evolve towards being something a little better. Is that possible? Doubtful. With all the resources SoulPancake put into the effort; they gave up.

            The reason I am putting SP questions and ideas into my conversations of late is directly as a result of a comment you made. You have influenced me to try harder. But you have also influenced me to try to negate the influences that piss me off in here too.

            There are something like 169 members at this site and from what I see (maybe because I have been blocked by many) I see the same dozen with about 75% bitching and just being ignorant to anyone they want to be ignorant towards. The Anonymity Effect

            Maybe more people would continue to participate if there was less threat of being ridiculed for their opinion when respectfully offered. I dunno. Is it so hard to want to compare your own thoughts with others who may have a different frame of reference? A guy can support guns but it doesn’t mean it needs to be stated in such a way that if you don’t agree you are an idiot. A person can have LGBT views that are oppositional but if you can’t participate in the manner that Tolstoy advocates; why make a wasted effort?

            The challenge is big. I mean, even this note could be interpreted as being inflammatory even though the intention is anything but.

            • @Spitfire3dC
              “Your mix in continuing on the journey through art, culture, philosophy, science, spirituality, life, and humor.
              Challenge your ideas, share your passions, make connections and create friendships in this collective community. Welcome to the Sequel.”

              I don’t see any hint that this is supposed to be a shared effort towards self-improvement.

              You talk about people being ridiculed for their opinion when respectfully offered:
              I recall one of our first interactions was you saying something about PC speech and asking for thoughts. I gave you my thoughts in a very neutral way which contridicted yours, which resulted in you attacking me for doing what you asked.

              I think it’s you that needs to think about what Tolstoy said.

              The other day your reaction to something I put up was saying you were dissatisfied with my answer, and therein lies a big chunk of the problem.

              I don’t serve you.

              So now you tell me how I should act because it doesn’t fit your homogenized parameters that you’re trying to cast over the entire site, while at the same time calling for free thinking……….

    • For sure.
      But until they arrive, we can work on our own free-thinking skills.

      It’s one of those things that both hard and easy. It means examining whenever one has an emotional or instinctive reaction to something as “a threat”; and then tracing it back within yourself to what thought or concept triggered the amygdala to issuing the threat warning.

      Dr. Peterson’s lectures on “Maps of Meaning” are available on youtube and are brilliant. He has a book of the same name and the audible book will be available later this month.

      He makes a very good analogy comparing our beliefs as a kind of map, and we register “threat” whenever our map and manifest reality don’t match up. As we try to overlay complex reality with our simplified abstract map for getting from point A to point B, incongruities do everything from wrinkle our map, to poke holes in it, to burn holes in it. And one has an identity crisis or worse, a nervous breakdown, when the whole map is suddenly burned up. (This usually takes event like betrayal, grief, loss of a childhood dream etc).

      We have these problems because our abstracted map of reality is both incomplete, and tends to be rather fragile. Free-thinking — examining things contrary to one’s held beliefs, outside of one’s comfort zone — is what works to improve our map and make it more robust when we do encounter something (or someone!) trying to poke and burn holes in it.

      (And we need the abstracted maps in the first place because all of reality is far too complex to be paying attention to every detail. So we “map” what we feel is “safe to ignore” so we don’t burn out. Your route from your home to regular grocery story is highly abstracted — with magnitudes of things you’ve mapped as safe to ignore. That is why most road accidents tend to happen close to home: there’s so much that you’re not really paying attention to.)

      • @griz Thank you for taking the time and making the effort to actually address the issue with good information that helps me understand the issue more.

        I can accept that I will never know everything that will make my opinions perfect, but having a map to guide me in towards an unattainable destination at least gives me a sense of purpose and understanding that at least I am heading in the right direction. Nothing worse than wondering if you are getting more lost,versus making progress in the right direction.

        Thanks for your P.O.V. on this

        • @Spitfire3dC
          I look back at all of the “unattainable destinations” I’ve managed to reach!

          It sort of re-defines the term. A “perfect map” may be one of those things that is truly unattainable in this incarnation. But a map resilient against damage, and the ability to edit and update it on the fly are definitely assets.
          Ones that the ability to free-think helps us address.

    • Sorry Immortal Pirate. I can’t see your response. I just got tired of the negativity and the belittling humour towards anyone who didn’t share your opinion. No sense in commenting towards me unless your only purpose is in entertaining others who are on track with your sense of humour. It’s too bad for me, because there were occasional glimpses of brilliance (cookie tin performance) but the ratio of that to stuff that just grated on me has become to irrational to filter through. Have a good 758,000 more years and my best to Barbara.

    • I’m more of a cat than a dog, and I cannot be herded.

  • I’m not sure how anyone cannot fathom the existence of a soul, Surely they have met the person within that they are??

    Who the fuck are they talking to when they ask themselves questions to make a decision? Are they on some auto pilot that navigates the journey and they just step off when the plane lands?

    The soul may not transcend death, but…[Read more]

  • I recently read Sidney Poitier’s auto biography and he speaks to this point very specifically. As a child, he was pretty well on his own in many ways. He put himself, through his immaturity, into a lot of pretty precarious (threw a polysyllabic word in there for you luftballooneyegouge…hmmmm 5 syllables?) situations.

    He says that taught him…[Read more]

  • @griz I think you are agreeing with me but for some reason it seems like you are trying to convince me of something that I think I understand??

    anyway, regarding

    “Consider also that “compassionate” businesses tend to go bankrupt very quickly. Share-holders flee them. Consumers take advantage of them”

    I kinda disagree. Look at Sta…[Read more]

  • @luftballooneyegouge management trainee. Basically the Kmart training program started you in the stockroom and my first day included an assignment to empty a garbage room into a garbage truck that had a previous stop at a fruit market. Trust me, I woulda preferred dishes.

    I was recruited off campus and just took the interview for the practice.…[Read more]

  • Your class system is so funny if it weren’t so sad.

    Look at the redneck stoopids that seriously believe they are mentally smarter than a black Harvard grad??

    My own experiences with it. I didn’t know we were poor when I was younger, but in comparison to what I experience now; I’m sure we were. But that didn’t stop me from getting a pretty…[Read more]

  • @Jear77 Finding your centre will stabilize you.

    what IS reality? It is your perception of it. Think about that and then ask yourself if you are perceiving what you want to perceive.

    I see a client for the first time with an observation that I have in my sites someone poteially ready to say yes. If I went in with the thought that they would…[Read more]

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