I’ve been gone awhile and I’ve come back to see more highly politically charged posts and I’m thinking to myself, “[person 1] and [person 2] have completely opposite beliefs and express such vitriol about their opposition, it’s part of what’s wrong with politics and makes it so we can’t see common ground.”

What do you agree with the other side of your aisle on. If you say “nothing,” you’ve completely missed the point of the exercise and I’d strongly prefer you not participate.

I may think nationalism is truly terrible, but I’ll agree with the right wing that well-placed tax cuts can be highly beneficial, free markets can be highly effective solutions to problems (when it’s the appropriate market free of negative externalities like unpaid pollution costs), free speech (like that to say “screw you mr. president”) is pretty fantastic (as opposed to interpretations I’ve seen promoted suggesting hatespeech but not dissent to be protected by it, which I disagree vehemently with–hopefully this position isn’t held by any of you, I mean not to offend), some militarization and spying can be beneficial but that this is precariously easy to overstep, we’ve got a slew of problems on our hands including domestic terrorism (coming from both sides of the aisle now) and I’m sure as hell not going to fall in line behind the leader of the opposing party (just like you! (probably)).

Can we step back a moment and show a semblance of respect for the people we’re so hasty to be nasty to?




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  1. Gina 2 years ago

    I hear you. I have tried that tactic before. There is just one person on this site that never, ever lets us find common ground; no matter how hard I try. I have learned to fight fire with fire with that one. Do I appear nasty at times? Hell yeah. I can be one hell of a nasty woman.

    On November 9th, 2016, I had the same feeling I had when the men who sexually attacked me got off with no punishment, and when OJ Simpson got off – November 9, 2016 – I felt dehumanized and as angry as I was those other times in my life.

    What is going on right now with 45th and his band of rejects IS NOT NORMAL, and it requires steadfast resistance. It’s not going to be pretty, but we can’t quit. I am not going to roll over and pretend america is becoming “great again”.

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      Squirrel 2 years ago

      It’s good to hear from you and I’m sorry for the shittiness in your past and in the present, but you didn’t answer the question. I’m calling other people out on this too, but I would very much like it if you said something remotely respectful of the ideology you’d like to find reason with.

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      • Gina 2 years ago

        I can’t stand people who lie. This is about trump and the up-side-down, lying world that he is; and the people who believe him over the truth. Please tell me how you reason with someone who believes lies. The people I am nasty with are the same people who have posted pics of black face eating watermelon, stated Sandy Hook was a fake, people who believe and promote the whole Birther Bullshit, post memes saying: All Live Splatter, or post a woman shitting in public in response to my World Refugee post…yeah, that was a couple of days ago….and on and on. I am supposed to show respect to that? Hell no. Someone has to stand up to these people.

        Sorry about your dad. My dad was very ill for a while before he died. His death was more of a relief. Dying is never pretty. I hope he rests in peace.

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        Squirrel 2 years ago

        Then don’t put up with the nationalists. But treating the far right the way it deserves doesn’t treat other people the way they deserve so long as the center right is hurt by seeing the far right be treated the way it treats others. I’m not saying turn the other cheek so much as only go off on the nazis and unreasonable people so reasonable people still see you are someone to reason with. It’s an awful situation and I want the nazis gone, but we take back congress by getting along with the moderate right, which should be among our highest priorities. Then we can get together our nazi deportation plan.

        The racism is sad.

        As an atheist, I seem to have a unique perspective on grief.

        May the world be a safer and happier place tomorrow, and may that start with me.

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      • Gina 2 years ago

        I have lived through tons of shitty times, and I am stronger for it. You do what is good for you, and I will do the same. Peace out.

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      Squirrel 2 years ago

      and now that I’ve made sure to get back to others, I want to take a moment and ask how you’re doing. you’ve always been such a sweetheart to me and it breaks my heart people hurt you and saddens me all the more his election cast such a dark shadow for so many people.

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  2. ladybarbara 2 years ago

    I don’t have any hope that the haters of Trump will see the light. Meanwhile, he is doing a good job of making good on his promises and making positive changes. I like that he Tweets and keeps his followers (the red states) up on what he is actually doing, and why, while the MSM keeps pumping out hate and false reports.

    I come here and say something positive and get shot down by haters. It doesn’t change anything. It doesn’t change what our President is doing. It doesn’t change the weather. All it does is make me know that this site is a nest of Leftist hate and I would rather not come and visit such hate. It does not make me feel welcome here. I have stopped telling friends about Soul Sequel because of the hate on it. So, I get off of it and go to other sites that are more positive and realistic and more truthful to what is happening. I keep being positive and only come here to see the opinion of the bright parts of Soul Sequel, like Weenis, Mama Joy, and Scarlett, and of course Immortal Pirate.

    Thinking of the more positive side, it is good to see you again, Squirrel. How is your father? The last I heard from you, he was circling the drain. I know that care-taking is a hard job and it is sad in the end. I hope you have someone to help and some kind of support for your own needs. You have to take care of yourself in order to be strong for your Dad and family.

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    • weenis 2 years ago

      Thank you thank you.

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    • luftballooneyegouge 2 years ago

      LAdyBabs said, “I keep being positive and only come here to see the opinion of the bright parts of Soul Sequel, like Weenis, Mama Joy, and Scarlett, and of course Immortal Pirate.”

      Bright parts breitbarts, you know you love a pinch of my inky pitch darkness dipped in poison with a sprinkle of sugar for sparkles. I always hurt the ones I love.

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    • Gina 2 years ago

      You said, ” I keep being positive and only come here to see the opinion of the bright parts of Soul Sequel”…but you left a video of a woman crapping in a public space on my post about World Refugee Day. Not so positive and bright.

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      Squirrel 2 years ago

      This isn’t about Trump and not Trump. This is about hate and respect. You don’t like hate from the other side and the other side doesn’t like hate from your side. Nobody will get along until respectful dialogue happens, and it can’t happen when we’re too busy calling each other imbecilic nutters. In my memory both weenis and the pirate have been particularly malicious, so it’s funny you should call them so kind. I want to get along with people, but I also want not to be attacked for having differing beliefs, which if I recall is something they have repeatedly failed to do. Others have done this to your side as well, and this post is just as much for them. This country is ripping itself apart with hatred for itself, and the disrespect you feel for your beliefs isn’t helping things and your making like a “snowflake” when your beliefs are disrespected doesn’t help things either. We need calm and respectful dialogue, which I’ve seen you excel at.

      As for my dad? He died. I’m job searching and self-training now.

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      • ladybarbara 2 years ago

        Oh, Squirrel, I am sorry for the loss of your Dad. It has been a rough year for you. I hope you can find a job that will make you happy to be there and brighten your life. You have really matured and it shows.

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        Squirrel 2 years ago

        Thanks on all counts.

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  3. weenis 2 years ago

    I agree. Brainless liberals are a nasty bunch. The recent shooting, Griffin, and all the nasty comments and rhetoric coming out of the left are truly insane.

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    • luftballooneyegouge 2 years ago

      Liberals have no monopoly on crazy.

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      Squirrel 2 years ago

      There have been more right wing domestic terrorism incidents than left wing ones. Rand Paul also argued the second amendment is there to shoot at the government when it becomes tyrannical, so it’s funny that it’s suddenly a problem when the right is being shot at.

      While there is nastiness from the left, it’s also in response to something. I have seen unprecedented hate from the community on reddit dedicated to supporting Trump. Hatespeech, doxxing, and death threats have been commonplace. If anything is worth hating, then surely it is such hatred. I wish for respectful dialogue, but how can it happen when you’re calling me stupid before I’ve even opened my mouth?

      What do you respect from the other side weenis?

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  4. mamajoy 2 years ago

    I often think about this question myself. I have come to the conclusion that some are so wrapped up in their own beliefs that they refuse to give a fuck or accept about the perspectives or anyone else. Thus they participate in circular arguments that inevitably reduce themselves into name calling and personal attacks. This of course is out of frustration because they can’t “win” the debate – but neither can the other side, there is no winner, so it’s all just poppycock if you asked me.

    My views on politics – and people is that we all have good and bad qualities. Hitler even did some good things in his time. I will never LABEL a right or left minded individual and assume that makes someone a bad person or assume that we could never find something in common. It seems like politics is just another form of racism nowadays. People pick their sides and mock the opposer and seek to degrade their character, intelligence, and anything else they can attack…based on their political position.

    If you go to any forum or article that has an ounce of a politically tinged topic, the same childish behaviors are exhibited. It’s sad. To this I just shake my head and just think to myself, “What the fuck is going on?”.

    I guess I show my respect for opposing political views by respecting them. I may not agree and I am open to debates on disagreements, but at the end of the day I still respect your position. You have a right to that and I have no right to attack you for your opinions.

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    • luftballooneyegouge 2 years ago

      ….are you trying to justify purchasing a VW?

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      • Gina 2 years ago

        That’s funny. I thought @mamajoy ‘s statement about Hitler was odd. I thought for a second, what good did he do, and the only thing I could come up with…he came up with the design for the VW Bug.

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      • griz 2 years ago

        Actually Hilter and his Nazis are directly credited with the first successful national smoking ban in public; wildlife conservation and the concept of “hunting seasons”; banning animal vivisection for scientific gain (yes, the irony is thick when it comes to what they did to other humans!); the modern freeway/autobahn/interstate system; public works as a solution to unemployment . . . to name just a few.

        These in no way justify or “balance” the great evils perpetrated by him/under his rule. But it reminds us that we can get so pre-occupied hating the bad in a situation that we patently cannot see any good that might be there. (We “love our hate” too much!)

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      Squirrel 2 years ago

      I’m with you that most everyone has both good and bad. I also near pathologically avoid absolute statements, so I won’t commit to saying everyone. Hitler, though heinous, jump started the german economy, which had benefits for many. His atrocities also go without saying.

      I have no interest in circlejerks or immobile spitting matches, since they accomplish nothing good.

      How do we teach other people to practice the ideals we wish to hold ourselves to? Because this vitriol and division is ripping the nation apart. It is a greater problem than alleged shitty leadership or alleged malicious obstructionism. The greatest threat to the nation is neither terrorism nor our politicians, but our inability to engage in respectful dialogue and find points of agreement or at least respect for the people we disagree with.

      “The greatest victory is a battle not fought”

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      • griz 2 years ago

        The greatest threat is the “splitting into factions” (which BTW, one sees “classic organized religion doing more and more!).
        If there was a devious “master foe” after the nation (or the race?), a very effective strategy would be to isolate them into smaller and smaller factions until each person was “isolated within themselves” and disconnected from the greater whole.

        As for how we teach others the good that we are learning along our path?

        “Become the change you wish to see in society”.

        Work contrary to the fear, paranoia, isolation, segregation, inability to trust/connect with the greater whole. It’s not an easy path. One will need to endure, develop patience, personal strength of character and most importantly, the ability to forgive and heal oneself from the slights and injuries others will inevitably inflict on you as they battle to remain addicted to darkness.

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  5. Yin 2 years ago

    I’m quite a left leaning person. Not much I agree on. I guess maybe that Hillary was a bad candidate or Kathy Griffin went a bit far? I just picked Hillary as the more obvious choice out of the remaining two (I guess four, technically.) As for policies, I can’t think of anything. I’m not trying to avoid seeing common ground, because I love it when there is common ground, but I just really don’t see where I have a common ground. NSA spying and super PAC money, I’m not sure what the right feels about those anymore. I am against both, so could be common ground if they share the same views. (not looking to debate either, but I just really don’t know the stances of those two.)

    I don’t jump into the name calling and attacks. I rarely debate people if I’m not asked of my opinion. I mean, most of my family and some of my friends disagree with my opinions, so I have grown accustomed to holding my tongue for the most part unless I am asked. I just like to avoid potential conflicts when possible.

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      Squirrel 2 years ago

      Okay, thank you for trying to find common ground. How about instead of points of agreement points of respect. What are beliefs that you might not agree with but at least can understand why someone would believe and can respect their belief in?

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      • Yin 2 years ago

        I can understand a lot of them considering I have held them myself years ago. (Gay people shouldn’t marry because it is icky. Trans people are weird and that shouldn’t be allowed. Death penalty all the way because screw all of those rapists and killers. Want a better wage, get a better job. Bomb the hell out of the Middle East, “collateral damage” is fine and expected. Don’t want to get shot by police, don’t break the law. Abortion should be illegal because they should pay for their accident. Pro-gun all the way and nothing can change my mind, not even my entire family being murdered by someone with guns. Prostitutes and those that hire/use them should be arrested. All drugs, aside from prescribed or over the counter, should be illegal and users/possessors should be punished. You know what, make alcohol illegal again too.)

        Respecting those ideas are something else entirely. Now, this isn’t to say I can’t be friends with someone with those ideas. Just don’t expect me to be quiet if you bring them up. There may be a debate (not argument or hate unless it is brought to me first.) Maybe you can consider that I respect them? I respect the person as long as they are civil, but the ideas are something else.

        All of those I felt and I have mentioned, I have done a 180 on based on the evidence I was presented with, the logic that was shown to me, and my empathy growing. Well, all but the guns I guess. I guess maybe there is some common ground there. Guns should be legal because of the Constitution. My question then is, can we limit certain things about them? That is where I will lose that common ground with people.

        I think I identify more with the group known as the Justice Democrats. The Democratic Party currently is just too corporate-based for me. The JD’s are more left than the Democratic Party. Democratic Party seems to be more center than anything. This is probably why I just don’t have that common ground with people on the right. I’m not near the right anymore. I understand the feelings sometimes because I have had them myself, but I just don’t relate anymore.

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        Squirrel 2 years ago

        Respecting the person but not the ideas seems fine.

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  6. Lucifer Rising 2 years ago

    I have some left wing and some right wing beliefs, but most of my beliefs are from out of this world. And a great many areas where I find people beliefs are strong, I have “I do not know”. It is not because I am poorly read on the subject, usually, but because I disagree with coming to conclusions so quickly and settling so deeply.

    In fact, it seems very obvious many beliefs people have today are simply focused around the fact that their party believes it. Though, typically, I think their party believes it because some politician has been persuaded to buy into it for special interests.

    I am not sure who all is left here, but Gina, but have not recalled her being rude to me. As I do, from time to time, state and argue an opinion that is right or left. For me, I do not even see much difference between the two. It seems very arbitrary. Illusionary that one is “liberal” and one “conservative”.

    I have been attacked for being perceived to be left, because I stated something negative about North Korea. I did notice a thread I posted in a right winger remarked that he felt he was happy because everyone else was “butt hurt”. Which I take as what it sounds like, that ass raping people is seen by many as a positive thing. I view it as abhorrent, and, wicked.

    With the left, I have just noticed that if I state something their party disagrees with, it can certainly upset them, and they also can not logically or reasonably discuss the matter.

    Typically, with either side, if I believe in the position strongly, I say so and argue out my reasonings. But, then, main thing is, I am for people thinking independantly on their own, and questioning what they are simply told by others.

    Good examples: I called the election hacking as being from Russia. I work in the field, and knew it was from the research papers. In another case, I went against the left on Comey being fired. I think it was good he was fired, he was absolutely terrible. Again, an area I am deeply experienced with, as Comey took my attention over the years because he led the fight to back door the software of all American hardware and software products. He chose a particularly nasty way to do so.

    The later case is interesting to me, because Comey literally threw the election. Having already studied him, I realized it was clear he did this intentionally. Yet, it is fascinating the left have dropped that, as if it never happened. Because now he is an useful idiot.

    But, there does not seem to be any sort of machievallian maliciousness on forgetting that, as it probably is with some higher ups in the party.

    Still, all being even, I do believe Hitler and Nazi Germany was more evil then Stalin and Lenin and the Soviet Union. Though, intrinsically, they were the same animal. Pol Pot’s savagery and the savagery in North Korea, per capita, however, has been the worst we have ever seen.

    However.

    So, mixed bad when they get to the extreme. As so many on both sides are doing here.

    Still, the right seems to me to be more of a nuisance in some of their approaches. I have watched as many have fed into a literal anti-female belief system, which I find a new level of disgusting. Literal Neo-Nazism is also clearly on the rise.

    On the other hand, I have to avoid some of my old favorite left leaning sites, as they start to obsess over minute details that end up like fluff. Though, I have yet to see any mainstream ones that get to the level of “pizzagate” crap, which was particularly abhorrent to me. Wish I could say the same about the level of accepting foreign bribes, but that seems to be a penchant both the left and right in America love to do. Regardless of the unfriendliness of the nation they accept those favors from.

    Probably this is because the moderate and more independant thinkers on the right have been largely shut out. Whereas with the left, they do actually remain as their solid base.

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  7. Jear77 2 years ago

    I’m not really a political person per se. By and large, it doesn’t really affect me unless laws are being passed such that I start breaking them unknowingly.

    Having said that, since I gave up my faith, I can get behind helping the needy, as I would love to be helped if I were in the same situation. I also can support faith initiatives that include job training, resume help, “dress for success” programs and interviewing techniques, as well as job counseling

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      Squirrel 2 years ago

      I didn’t know you gave up your faith. Are you up for telling me why you chose to? How are you handling that? I know you found the community helpful and supportive.

      Thank you for engaging in the exercise =)

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  8. luftballooneyegouge 2 years ago

    There’s no “can’t” in this. People [[choose]] to not see common ground.

    Politeness is for strangers.
    We’ve all sorta met & hung out for awhile.

    My political overlap in this dualistic ritual, is my disdain for both sides.

    Truth hurts……

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      Squirrel 2 years ago

      Aye aye! Screw the left, screw the right.

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      • griz 2 years ago

        Actually, many Native philosophies had a North, South, East, West, Up and Down! And recognized that segregation/isolation into just one (usually one’s “starting direction”) meant a limited and shallow life of stagnation.

        “True People” would set out from their “starting direction” to explore all of the various other directions; and upon completion of this journey would find a place of balance in the “center”. Where their “power” and value to the community would be their ability to quickly throw a balance in any situation that was suffering from imbalance.

        People existing totally and entirely on the “left” or the “right” are imbalanced: so the see-saw continues to sway back and forth. Whereas someone standing on the fulcrum can effect great change with just a slight shift in balance.

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        Squirrel 2 years ago

        Thanks for teaching me that!

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      • luftballooneyegouge 2 years ago

        I’m not comfortable with the screw ’em thing. I’m more comfortable with trying not to trust one more than the other, while concluding both rate low in trustworthiness.

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        Squirrel 2 years ago

        that’s fair I guess. I was mostly trying to be silly. It feels good to say but is definitely not a good practice and not one I cling to.

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    • griz 2 years ago

      Faithful are the wounds of a friend; and as you’ve noted we’ve all hung out here for long enough that we should be considered friends. It’s far better to be hurt by a truth wielded by a friend who’s not waiting to feast on our carcass!

      As for “there is no ‘can’t'”.

      Do you think people MIGHT get so imprisoned in a stance that they “they can’t” escape from it? If they were a totally free person of course they feasibly could.

      But might people invest in mindsets and processes so deeply . . . that they are no longer “free” and for all intents and purposes, “cannot” escape without extraordinary help?

      I personally have wandered too close to the “event horizon” of a few of these black holes. (Depression would be a prime medical example).

      Like in space, one can wander past an event horizon without knowing it.

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  9. griz 2 years ago

    The problem is that people pursue their politics and ideologies with “religious zeal”.

    And religion is hardly ever about “common ground”. It’s more about attacking those of differing beliefs that might erode/invalidate/gain ground over your beliefs. It’s about hunting endlessly for fault that can be used against those of different stance. It’s about witnessing and converting; and if this fails, condemning.

    It’s all the same process; almost exactly!

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      Squirrel 2 years ago

      Then how do we separate politics from this religious approach? Delegitimizing our ideological opponents doesn’t fix anything.

      how do we go from trying to convert to trying to respect?

      how ya doing by the way?

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      • griz 2 years ago

        It’s good to see back in the mix again! I trust you’re doing well.
        I’m doing generally well, but have some growing health concerns that are being looked into.

        The current political climate is just a symptom of religious thinking/religious process. Most people will not call it “religion” because there’s no Deity involved per se.

        So I don’t think it’s a process of “separating” . . . so much as it’s a grass-roots need to recognize just how IN LOVE we are with religious process: applying it to everything form politics, to leisure, to sex, to family, to career, to sports . . . and then “healing” ourselves from it.

        If we cure “the disease” of always having to prove ourselves right[eous], proving ourselves “safe” [saved], going to battle, putting down others to elevate ourselves [our beliefs and ideologies], the current political BS will take care of itself naturally in time. Perhaps not in our lifetime.
        But if we stop this whole “going to battle”/”holy war” kind of thinking in the species, it will cure many many things — from politics to terrorism to predation one upon another. Not overnight. But it will happen.

        And this is something that we can do ourselves — rather than just protesting the things that “others” need to do!

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        Squirrel 2 years ago

        I’m okay. I think it would only enter remission and be something we’d need to constantly be vigilant for. I think it’s part of the human condition.

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      • griz 2 years ago

        I get good traction out of classifying it as part of the “default” human condition — tied to just feeling/emotions/instincts.

        A condition that unlike the rest of the lifeforms on this orb, we seem to have the ability to “rise above”. And the “constant vigilance” speaks to how easy it is to slide back into “the default” if we’re not paying attention, are distracted, our energy is low.

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