Read in the news almost every week where some school teacher somewhere was fired or disciplined for not complying with a student’s wishes and/or respecting their beliefs. One example is a school teacher forcing a student to clean the ask Wednesday ashes from his forehead. Another example is a teacher refusing to use a student’s preferred pronouns. Another example, is a school teacher telling a child to go back to Mexico for not standing during the pledge of allegiance. Are these all the same in the regard that each student is expressing their personal beliefs, and do any of these instances warrant punishment of the teacher?




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  1. Yin 1 month ago

    I don’t know if it is really the student’s wishes as it is just a bit of common sense and decency. While I’m not sure they should be fired on the first offense of these things, they do need to be talked to and taught why they should or shouldn’t discipline the kids like that. Don’t force a kid to wash the ash off his head just as you don’t force a Muslim girl to remove her hijab. Don’t make kids stand for the pledge as that would be illegal and goes against the idea of freedom anyway. I would think an adult could refer to the kid with the pronoun the kid goes by for a year. The kid is already going to have a hell of a time going through school in general. Why should an adult that is suppose to protect them add to that? To be in that position, respect has to come with the territory. School is about the kids, not the personal opinions of the teachers.

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      Scarlett2 1 month ago

      @Yin I agree with you. I think it should be a progressive discipline and education thing, and then if they are unable to comply, termination. I think the ashes on the head and the preferred pronouns are comparable, because the ashes on the head kid and his family have a certain belief, and to me, their beliefs should be respected, as long as they arent harming anyone. Same goes for preferred pronouns, and you’re right, transgender kids do have it tough. they also have an alarmingly high suicide rate that is on the rise.

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  2. Tits McGee 1 month ago

    we all live in a very gray area. adhering to everyone’s personal wishes is impossible.

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  3. ladybarbara 1 month ago

    One thing I could never be is a school teacher. I don’t know how some of them abide by all the silly rules and craziness. We know of one teacher that divided her classroom into groups and decided the names of the groups would be “snack cakes”, which the kids had fun voting on. The kids had fun with the group names. THEN — one parent got angry that her child was in a group named after Hostess Ding-Dongs. Our friend was fired from her teaching job because of it. She even presented a box of the foil wrapped confections to the school board. They ruled that calling kids “Twinkies”, “Ho Hos” and “Ding Dongs” was offensive and abusive. I was very sad for her when she got fired. Because of that snack cake naming of groups, she could not get another teaching job. Then, being given a chance, she was fired again for being in the Baha’i religion and teaching about “World Unity”. Poor Mel couldn’t get a break!!! She was taking care of an old slowly dying father at home. Losing her teaching jobs was a severe hardship. Now, Ol Dad died and she has another teaching job and she is doing all she can to adhere to the rules and keep her job and teaching credentials. My opinion is that the rules are too harsh. The kids had named their own groups in the “snack cake” incident. They were having fun and fun should be a part of learning. No matter what the group name, some parent would complain —— even if her child was considered a Cream Filled Cupcake, or a Snowball.

    I am sure that Mel is putting up with all the different beliefs and stupid rules. It is true what Yin says. They only have to do it for a year. But year after year of trying to remember pronouns the child identifies by and who is in what bathroom would baffel me. I don’t think that most of these rules are punishable offenses —– unless it is an offense of a sexual nature. Teachers are NOT to have sex with students.

    I have a son that is gay and likes to dress as a woman. I said, OK. you can be my daughter, my 45 year old daughter. Then the first time I called him “she” in public, he got pissed off and told me never to call him “she” or “her”again. When “It” went out the window and ran away from home, I celebrated. I cannot live with the loony rules of what to call somebody.

    I don’t know how teachers do it. They would have to make notations next to the names on the roster, but then, some parent will find something to pitch a bitch about and the teacher is punished or fired. It is not fair.

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      Scarlett2 1 month ago

      @ladybarbara these are good point. It is rough being a teacher. I think the teachers should at least make the effort to respect the kid’s wishes, but I can see how they could have a slip from time to time.

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  4. Jear77 1 month ago

    gender identity politics shouldn’t be an issue in the classroom UNTIL you “change” your gender officially (i.e. it’s recognized by the law, having one’s birth certificate changed). Calling a male “her” or “she” doesn’t really make sense if the law’s not going to do the same and if the person in question doesn’t have the gender reassignment surgery.

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  5. immortal_pirate 1 month ago

    No.
    The only time a teacher should be fired is if the teacher engages in inappropriate behavior such as sexual relations with a student.
    If a teacher is blatantly incompetent, or endangers the life of a student.
    Teachers should not use the class room setting to indoctrinate students with the teachers political ideology, either left or right.

    Personal pronouns have no place in education.

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  6. luftballooneyegouge 1 month ago

    Anyone should be able to be fired on nothing more than a whim.
    This encourages one to be at their best.

    Teachers should have to pass a democratic anonymous student review at the end of the year or semester period.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Burning_of_the_School

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