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  1. immortal_pirate 1 year ago

    A valid question and a valid point, but need I remind you that it takes two to tango?
    Yes I believe a man should be responsible for his actions. (being the father of several small countries so to speak, having been prolific for 258000+ years, who knows you may be one of my descendants)…
    One cannot and should not discount the fact that both men and women are co-responsible for their actions where procreation is concerned. Yes, sexual intercourse is a wonderful experience and for the most part, an enjoyable one. If it really didn’t feel good we wouldn’t do it.
    Let’s not slut-shame each other for liking sex. I personally believe that abstinence is best to prevent an unwanted pregnancy, but proper contraception should be employed by both parties involved when sexual congress is desired by both parties. I also believe that abortion is wrong as a means to prevent or terminate an unwanted pregnancy. I also understand that sometimes there are circumstances that exist where pregnancies occur where ones freedom of choice has been denied, such as cases of rape.
    MAKE A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO PREVENT CONCEPTION BEFORE IT OCCURS NOT AFTER IT OCCURS. Yes I believe that a woman has the God given right to her reproductive process, but abortion is murder. The human life growing in your womb has that same God given right to life as you do. A human fetus IS a human being.

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      Gina 1 year ago

      @immortal_pirate This isn’t a post about abortion, but I respect your opinion on that.

      Your personal beliefs aren’t everybody’s beliefs.

      Would you take birth control if you were single and having sex with a fertile woman/women?

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      • immortal_pirate 1 year ago

        @Gina I would use a high quality condom, it prevents pregnancy and prevents the transmission of sexually oriented diseases.
        I am single. I would not use a pharmaceutical birth control method, although I’m sure they probably have their place. Most birth control pills have certain side effects that may be negative or even harmful to the user, after all you’re putting a chemical substance into your body to prevent conception…a poison if you will, that kills the sperm and /or egg to prevent pregnancy. It is incumbent upon both parties engaged in sexual activity to be aware of the risks and/or benefits involved in the use of pharmaceutical birth control devices. Of course there are other more radical means, such as surgically removing organs that produce the sperm or egg. Tubal-ligation and vasectomy, being the more radical methods.

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        Gina 1 year ago

        @immortal_pirate Does your girlfriend know you are single?

        I agree, pharmaceutical birth control is a horrible thing to take, but it’s better than the alternative. I was on the pill for only 11 months in my life, and it F’d up my system for years.

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      • ladybarbara 1 year ago

        @Gina Yes, I know that Immortal Pirate is a single man, just the same as I am a single woman. We are both equally single and free. We choose to be together as single partners.

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        Gina 1 year ago

        @ladybarbara Cool. Glad to hear you are both on the same page. :smile:

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      • ladybarbara 1 year ago

        @Gina We both understand that my pension is from my late husband and there are Navy benefits for my senior years. I would lose it all the minute I remarry. Then, I have land holdings in my name and I want to keep my name the way it is.

        Immortal Pirate doesn’t ever want to get married. So he said. But I know that a man who tells a woman that he doesn’t want to ever marry anyone ( really means that he doesn’t want to marry HER) ——– if the right woman comes into his life, that’s when you hear him jumping through hoops and getting married to her. So, I assume that I am not the right woman. I accept it as a fact of life and let the chips fall where they may. It is best for me financially to not remarry.

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      • griz 1 year ago

        @Gina
        How does one “take” a condom?

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      • immortal_pirate 1 year ago

        @griz Obviously, some on the left have been snorting them up their noses…although that same group of idiots eat TIDE PODS too…

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        Gina 1 year ago

        @griz What? I didn’t mention anything about taking a condom.

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      • griz 1 year ago

        @Gina
        I believe you talked and several responses about men taking birth control?

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  2. Weenis 1 year ago

    This is not a meme.

    Further evidence that the left can’t meme.

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      Gina 1 year ago

      @Weenis Nice contribution sweetheart. So, you wouldn’t take birth control if you were single and was having sex with women if birth control was available to you?

      BTW: It is a meme: It’s a piece of text:

      Meme definition: A humorous image, video, piece of text, etc., that is copied (often with slight variations) and spread rapidly by Internet users.

      This meme is spreading rapidly.

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      • Weenis 1 year ago

        @Gina

        If I was single, then I wouldn’t be having sex with anyone.

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        Gina 1 year ago

        @Weenis Good for for you.

        Here is a meme that you can love. This is for the @immortal_pirate too.

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      • immortal_pirate 1 year ago

        @Gina well played.

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      • Weenis 1 year ago

        @Gina

        Also not a meme, that’s called a “tweet”.

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      • Weenis 1 year ago

        @Gina

        Here’s an example of a “meme”.

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        Gina 1 year ago

        @Weenis OK, is this internet speak 101? Who really gives a fuck?

        This is a tweet.

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        Gina 1 year ago

        @Weenis this is a meme.

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      • Weenis 1 year ago

        @Gina Super clever.

        The left can’t meme.

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      • immortal_pirate 1 year ago

        @Gina Meme…

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      • griz 1 year ago

        @immortal_pirate
        But are his financial assets as well protected??

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      • griz 1 year ago

        @Gina
        I cannot think too highly of the person who would want such inferior genetic material swimming around inside of them and potentially being passed on to the future generation.

        I wonder what character traits would attract a woman to this kind of a man in the first place?

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        Gina 1 year ago

        @griz I don’t know what you are talking about.

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      • griz 1 year ago

        @Gina
        Who was it who paid $290,000 to have sex twice?

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        Gina 1 year ago

        @griz Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal were paid by trump’s personal lawyer right before the election to hush them up about having sex with the donald (eeeww, I gag just typing that). It was a total of $290,000.

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      • griz 1 year ago

        @Gina
        So I wonder what trait they found desirable enough in Trump to lay with him in the first place?

        (I’m presuming sufficient intelligence in women to be aware of their genetic mandate in light of the species history, and to not just be slaves to their animal instincts)

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  3. Yin 1 year ago

    Yo, if I was sexually active and I had access, I’d do it. I’d wear condoms too. She could take birth control as well if she wanted. I’d be so protected that I’d just reverse the process and revert back into a fetus myself. Blame just on the woman is damn tiring though.

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    • griz 1 year ago

      @Yin
      There is a difference between blame and responsibility for one’s own self and actions.

      I believe @immortal_pirate pointed out something akin to abstinence being the ultimate form of birth control.

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      • Yin 1 year ago

        @griz Blame. Responsibility. Whichever. Statement still stands with either. Expecting abstinence is just not reasonable.

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      • griz 1 year ago

        @Yin
        Is that the same as saying expecting self-control is unreasonable?

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      • Yin 1 year ago

        @griz There is more to it than that. It is an urge that nearly every person and animal has. It is one of the most natural things in life. It comes when people want to fight basic loneliness. It’s not as self-destructive as other urges. To expect most people, much less everyone, who don’t want children to abstain from sex, it’s just not going to happen. Maybe when/if sex robots become a common thing. Even then, we may get some trash propaganda saying that we need to have more children. Hell, Paul Ryan has already said Americans need to have more babies. While I understand there is still choice there, it’s influence and could lead some to have children when they aren’t actually ready. If less children was becoming a major thing, then it could snowball into a thing where they government may give you stuff for having children or punishing you if you don’t. There are just so many factors and potential factors on top of it being so natural and usually harmless aside from the mistake of an unwanted pregnancy. It’s not a normal urge.

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      • griz 1 year ago

        @Yin
        How does sex cure loneliness? Especially if the only (or main) reason for it is to try to deal with one’s own negative emotions?

        Nobody likes being used. And even brief periods of intense pleasure cannot continue to make up for essentially being used as just an object.

        There is something there the people crave more than just the gratification of a sex urge. Otherwise masturbation in and of itself would be totally sufficient.

        The traditions of relationship have evolved over thousands and perhaps even millions of years. They tended to produce the stable family structures that produced stable societies.

        But that is all changed in the past 50 years. Unstable families produce unstable societies — and hordes of people looking to sex for something that it was never designed to assuage.

        A child with a crayon could connect these dots; even if they didn’t understand what the downward spiral represents.

        What we are currently doing is only making the problem worse.

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      • Yin 1 year ago

        @griz I never said it cured it. It is something that people sometimes do to try to cure it, whether it be sex workers or someone they just managed to get close to. Sometimes it isn’t meant to even be a cure, but just the natural, though often times hasty, progression of finding someone that helps your loneliness.

        The feeling of masturbation on top of being so close to another person is quite a combo.

        What changed in the past 50 years? Feminism? Acceptance of same sex couples? The idea that it isn’t ok to beat and control your wife? I’d consider that to be a part of feminism, but it needed to be specified. You say it never was intended this way, but throughout history, they have stories of prostitution and orgies. Even if wasn’t, we change the intentions of things. It is kind of what separates us with other animals.

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      • griz 1 year ago

        @Yin
        There remains a difference between something done to be good and something done to be not as bad.

        There is something that is very good about relationship with another person and sex is just the icing on the cake when there is lasting commitment. (Otherwise one is just using them and throwing them away)
        Coming at it the other way around rarely works and is why there are so many relationship problems, such social suffering and divorce when people have gone through the motions of lasting commitment.

        I return to the observation than what people are doing to try to feel not as bad, is actually making them feel worse in the long run. And not just themselves but those they betray. And that means it is working against the society as a whole — destroying the very base necessary for all these other things we deem as good.

        A low-resolution summary of what’s happened in the last 50 years, is the so-called Sexual Revolution. It was touted as something that would make us feel good and free.

        it has had the demonstrative opposite effect.

        Let’s remember that the historical societies that were renowned for their prostitution and orgies . . . failed. The seeking of momentary pleasure took precedent over keeping the society stable.

        You are right that these are a natural part of human experience, when the base urge for instant gratification takes over. But historically so too is killing someone else and taking all their stuff. Just because something is “natural”, doesn’t automatically mean it is the best thing for the society if it comes to take precedence over maintaining the stability of the society.

        Society is the structure in which all of these things are nested.
        Even the individual is a lesser thing without the society.

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      • Yin 1 year ago

        @griz Hmm… It is odd seeing you speak out against people feeling bad and against their suffering when you have always said they are needed learning moments for people. Can’t this be another learning moment for them?

        If two people decide to use each other for a night, then that is fine. There are people that are actually happy with that, even if I can’t personally understand it myself.

        I don’t see these things as destroying society. I see money, religion, racism, and nationalism in politics doing that. Well, unless we are talking about the Russian spy offering sex to affect our politics. That is an issue. I totally understand how something natural isn’t always a good thing though. I mean, I’m someone who thinks having children is a bad thing in general. Suffering is bad and I just feel that I would never want to subject someone else to that if I didn’t need to. I’m just saying with something as natural as sex and with the consent of the everyone involved, I see zero reason to criticize that. Mistakes do happen, which is also why I support the woman’s right to choose.

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      • griz 1 year ago

        @Yin
        I don’t “speak out against” people feeling bad and suffering . . . so much as I accept that this is part of the existential Human reality; and don’t pretend that my “not liking it” have any effect on it whatsoever. Many pathologies result whenever we try to deny this and/or fail to take up our suffering and do the best we can to make the world a better place.
        No matter how terrible things are . . . there is almost always something we can do in and of ourselves to make it better. And there is ALWAYS something we can do to make it worse!

        And in this way, even terrible suffering can be a learning point. And very terrible suffering we manage to triumph over becomes some of our greatest learning.

        We each have in us, both the salvation AND the destruction of the society. Trying to “cast out” our destructive potential and have it land on just the things we are SO sure we are not (racist, religious, nationalistic etc) is just a form of self-denial.
        And denial of the full potential of the self IS socio-toxic. Because that not only means destructive elements can sneak up on us, but that beneficial elements are never fully realized.

        If we see no reason to have our eyes fully open to both the pleasures AND the downfalls of sex and all it’s variants (like confusion, addiction and possession and the tumultuous effects love-less procreation has on future generations) . . . we ARE the social toxin.

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      Gina 1 year ago

      @Yin That’s funny man. You would go all Benjamin Button.

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  4. Scarlett 1 year ago

    I think the burden needs to be shared by both individuals, but in the end we are only responsible for ourselves. I dont trust others to look out for me in this respect. I am at an age now that I don’t have to worry about it, though.

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      Gina 1 year ago

      @Scarlett Most of my life I never HAD to worry about it, but I worry about it for everybody else. I want to live in a healthy, happy society.

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  5. griz 1 year ago

    To what degree should we expect another person to be responsible or accountable for us either in this moment or across time?

    Physically mentally sexually psychologically spiritually emotionally?

    How weak, foolish, incompetent or incapable as an individual do you wish to be treated as?

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      Gina 1 year ago

      @griz “How weak, foolish, incompetent or incapable as an individual do you wish to be treated as?” Jesus Christ dude. What I do expect is: Since women are the ones who have to prevent a pregnancy, our fucking insurance shouldn’t make it so expensive to purchase; and while I am on that topic; the devices we have to use for our periods – tampons, pads should be free or at least way cheaper than they are. IF men had a period every month, I guarantee these things would be free.

      Don’t tell me this isn’t true. Many companies will not supply birth control in the insurance plans, but they still allow viagra. It’s a man’s world no matter how much you say it isn’t.

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      • griz 1 year ago

        @Gina
        So how much does a lesbian pay for birth control pills a month under US healthcare to keep her pregnancy free?

        (Sorry but you begged its asking!)

        I also need to ask if there are other ways for women to avoid pregnancy other than pumping themselves full of artificial hormones, which could have a drastic side effect on emotional and possibly even social stability?

        Another important question that probably should be asked. Is it the very biology of life that you are angry at? That’s Mother Nature. Men had nothing to do with it!

        Some things are in the purview of men; and others women are the undisputed Vanguards of in a way men never could be — even in areas of purview.

        If things were somehow magically reversed, you would have ordered and systemized the civil infrastructure that kept the men safe while we undertook the far more important role of genetic Vanguard of the species.

        But I’m not sure if we would be so quick to overlook all the good you had done and sacrifices you made while we were otherwise occupied with the pre-modern responsibilities of keeping the species viable.

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        Gina 1 year ago

        @griz As I have stated on this site numerous times, I don’t fall on the far end of the Kinsey Scale. I did need birth control for a long term relationship with a man…(11 months, long term for a 22 year old).

        Have you heard of the Kinsey Scale? It is a straight-gay scale to describe a person’s sexual experience or response at a given time. It uses a scale from 0, meaning exclusively heterosexual, to 6, meaning exclusively homosexual.

        I am also proving that I am truly a liberal as I care about ALL people and their needs. Yeah, I don’t need to purchase birth control, but I care that it’s accessible and affordable for all.

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      • griz 1 year ago

        @Gina
        Scales of urges??

        I think I would be more interested in scales of competency in not being swept away or owned by urges; and the avoidance of crafting one’s identity based solely on urges.

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        Gina 1 year ago

        @griz Do you base your heterosexual self on solely on urges?

        I think it’s really fucked up that you could think that I base my 35 year relationship strictly on an urge? You call yourself a deep thinking man, well start thinking a little deeper..man.

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      • luftballooneyegouge 1 year ago

        @Gina
        #3 seems to apply here too.

        I tried talkin’ to con-servers on google + a while back, & couldn’t shake the idea that there’s some 4-chan game where they just try to keep one going for as long as they can by coming up with deliberate stupidity to keep it going.

        It’s like the dipshits that go out of their way to mod pick-up trucks with a smoke-stack to get jollies from annoying people.

        It’s probably wishful thinking on my part hoping these people really aren’t as stupid as they project. I’m certain they’re compartMentalized into at least one specialization that they’re great at, or could be if they find out what it is. It’d be great if they’d all go do that.

        (Then again, I did post that thing on pulling out)

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      • griz 1 year ago

        @luftballooneyegouge
        The West has been a great evolutionary step forward with the articulation and instantiation of sanctity of the individual. Everyone has value and deserves to be heard.

        The ideologies that want to jump back into tribal Warfare are a devolutionary step backwards, and will end up as they always have historically: murderously . They hold that people of a particular tribe have no value in are always warranted in ignoring.

        They are foolish low-resolution templates to try to fit upon complex reality.

        (Excluding a person’s intrinsic value as a human voice based on how they choose to modify their truck?? Seriously)

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      • luftballooneyegouge 1 year ago

        @griz
        The truck mod I’m referring to is where dipshits put a pipe in the back of their truck that belches out thick black smoke in order to pretty much attack a passerby or someone behind them with a thick black cloud of diesel exhaust.
        This one local dipshit would drive along the bike path and try to hit people riding bikes with his smog. There’s plenty of videos but I don’t want to give them hits.

        What’s the point in paying attention to someone who is just going to say the same thing over & over?

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      • griz 1 year ago

        @luftballooneyegouge
        I’ve seen them. They’re an interesting group.

        Not paying attention to groups like this is a lot like not paying attention to an infection in your body; or a mess in the kitchen. It gets “louder” and more insistent. Cultures like the ancient Egyptians knew this but were not yet advanced enough to articulated it in words. They used stories and pictures.

        Many of our modern issues have come because we have not paid due attention to what the fringes are up to: and why.

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      • griz 1 year ago

        @Gina
        I thought we were talking about the scale you introduced and not about you personally?

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  6. immortal_pirate 1 year ago
  7. Jear77 1 year ago

    It takes 2… but if you don’t care how you “get off,” what’s to stop a person from seeking pleasure with themselves or someone of the same gender? Are we just too picky?

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    • griz 1 year ago

      @Jear77
      If the only purpose is just pleasure for ourselves it’s probably better to just go with some inanimate object, or perhaps some livestock who are not going to have to struggle with the existential reality of just being used as an object for your pleasure.

      If that is the only goal, then why bother being picky?

      But to think that is the only goal of sex, is to be seriously misguided.

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  8. luftballooneyegouge 1 year ago

    It’s every fellas responsibility to pull out. The internet’s’s’s full of instructional videos.

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