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  1. griz 5 months ago

    It contrast sharply to a large number of tried-and-true “primitive” exercises where seekers intentionally left all of this behind, often even foregoing the essentials of food and shelter, and somehow jumped right to the top of Maslow’s theoretical hierarchy.

    While the theory might have some truth in the general and most obvious sense, it seems more geared to providing excuses why so few reach the top of their own volition.

    Any “theory” relying on too many caveats and exclusions for times when it doesn’t hold true is of limited practical value.

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      Jear77 5 months ago

      @griz yet take those essentials away from everyone (something comes along and destroys everything that we need to survive – all buildings, man made objects crumble to nothing, all food sources rot) and i guarantee you that self actualization will be nonexistent. We’ll be too busy trying to cover our nakedness, figure out shelter and food to do ought else!

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      • griz 5 months ago

        @Jear77
        While I understand the nature of our flesh (our human nature) is instinctually powerful, it is probably a mistake to presume our personal competency levels as the species’ norm.
        (Physical psychological or spiritual; in presence and in absence)

        Our greatest hero archetypes are predicated upon the Human spirit not the Human nature.

        Yes?

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        Jear77 5 months ago

        @griz there are stories that talk about these things, yes. But there are also stories which have the moral of your individual actions don’t matter, ya’ll die

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      • griz 5 months ago

        @Jear77
        Most of them exist as cautionary tales or anti-stories

        Why do you think someone would want to hold them up as a model of how to successfully live life?

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        Jear77 5 months ago

        @griz but if it’s the reality… why not? A constant reminder of “you’re mortal” would do society a bit of good, compared to the idea in some stories that the characters are effectively immortal

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      • griz 5 months ago

        @Jear77
        We’ve talked before about your trying to say an absence of proof is a proof itself.

        That is not scientifically valid.

        On the other hand we do have a lot of proof that immoral behavior doesn’t turn out well for individual or society.

        So I’ll repeat the question.

        What do you think the attraction of it is other than trying to dodge responsible for oneself?

        And let’s introduce another question. How would you feel if every person an institution from this day forth treated you immorally?

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        Jear77 5 months ago

        @griz it’s not a dodge, really. Taking a cue from the Buddhists, who say that this existence is an illusion, why should I care about unreal responsibilities?

        In regards to the question of immoral actions, they too are illusory in nature.

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      • griz 5 months ago

        @Jear77
        I have known some practicing Buddhists.

        They were not lacking in responsibility for themselves or towards the greater social structure they were a part of.
        Nor were they physically morally or socially incompetent.
        (Aloof at times but not incompetent).

        Have you noticed that you’re still trying to harvest just the parts of various belief systems that you think you can use for your own greater glory?
        This is what cause your Christian experiment to fail. It is causing your scientism experiment to fail. It is causing your exercises of logic to fail. It is likely what is causing your economic experiments to fail.

        Master this attitude and a lot of things will be fixed as a matter of course. It is the very first and most enduring fix in the Christian salvation process that matures out of base self-servile infancy.

        Consider also that “a meaning of no meaning” maps directly into this same attitude as well.

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        Jear77 5 months ago

        @griz stop using that grammatically unsound structure and come upvwith something that makes sense! Glory hound would likely be the closestc American colloquialism… and it makes no sense here. I never sought the spotlight. I didn’t want to be on tbe news. Whereas i may have wanted to be published, i never wanted to be famous. Nothing about me seeks glory. Serving the homeless community for 10 years – on government assistance for food would indicate the *exact* opposite. Heck, many times it was so bad, the lights and gas, even the warmter services were turned off… and to this day i can’t have a bill in my name. I’m sometimes working 50+ hours weekky and STILL can’t afford to put food on my table without that same governmental assistance. So saying i am seeking glory is ludicrous.

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      • griz 5 months ago

        @Jear77
        The public glory was only the most visible tip of the personal profit iceberg they craved.
        Things were done seeking profit; both here and in the afterlife. The prime motivation was not the kingdom but how they could profit from the kingdom.
        Relax the noose of your restrictive thinking to see that profit does not have to be money or fame or spotlight.

        It can simply mean “a good feeling for me”. Not as ” side effect”, which is part of a good process.
        But as “prime effect”, which maps into addictive and toxic process.

        And the number one reason for ceasing in religious works, is that the desired “profit” is not forthcoming. (Indicating a toxic process from the get-go. The Bible clearly cautions that one should not expect anything beyond what the world may award them in that moment)

        I will continue using terms that have the broadest application. You will just have to get used to it.

        (The trick there is to not just substitute the term that is “for your own greater glory”! Remember that the unregenerate human soul does this quite naturally unless it is “saved” from itself).

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        Jear77 5 months ago

        @griz these discussions are merging. See my original answer 2 posts ago.

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      • griz 5 months ago

        @Jear77
        Their merging could mean a common causality to both of them

        Final comment

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