Last night I stepped outside my comfort zone and went to a meet up. Have you heard of the things?

I learned of them when I developed an idea about creating a website where you meet friends, not friends that only live in your phone on your fb, but friends that you actually see! It would be much like a dating website but for people who want a BFF! I shared my idea with my daughter who promptly informed me someone already thought of that.

Went to meetup.com and learned of a philosophy group that meets every Monday. As an introvert, it was hard for me to take that step to go meet with strangers, but I did it!

Last night we talked about what art means to the society? What is the value of art? Specifically, at one time , the city of Detroit was going to sell off the art collection in their prestigious museum because the city was in financial crisis and couldn’t pay the city employee’s pensions. The question became, under what circumstances, if any, is it justified to sell off an entire museum of art?

I have found my people.

I wanted to ask for your own thoughts. My response was that it is justified if lower level needs are not met. I think this may also revert back to the classism issue. There are people who may love art, and even be inspired by art, but don’t have the time nor the resources to visit a museum. Getting food on the table trumps visiting the art museum. What say you?




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  1. griz 7 months ago

    Good art represents truths that we cannot articulate.

    But they are still essential truths to better understanding ourselves. A reliance on just those things that can be rationally articulated, seems to psychologically, pathologize The Thinker into greater and greater leaps of irrationality.

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      Scarlett 7 months ago

      @griz im afraid I am going to have you to expound on your response. Do you mean a reliance on just art, or a reliance on just basic needs being met?

      Can you give an example of how art of the past represented a truth that we could not articulate at the time, but we can now?

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  2. fosheet 7 months ago

    I think today’s ideals of art, is not the same as it was to generations before ours. Or, maybe the problem is, it means the same.

    For an artist, to create, means to leave a piece of themselves in their artwork. I’ve been painting for 2 years… And it is magical, the creation process is freeing. The selling process is humbling, you literally show your work to strangers and are left naked holding your work open for society to judge. I love it, it’s terrible, I want it but I don’t feel like it is worth $50 that you’re asking, so instead I will offer you $30.

    I agree with @scarlett it is classism issue. The mom who works 2 jobs to provide food, certainly is concerned with going to a meuseum or the art store to buy supplies for the next uo and coming Monet. Art supplies are expensive as shit! I’m slowly branching from $5 a piece brushes to $15 a piece and it’s painful…. So damn painful, but I get the results I want when I use those covered brushes!

    But let’s not forget, society is allowing “the arts” to fall by the way, we are no longer teaching children to pick up instruments or act in plays, instead we are cutting funding to these sorts of things in schools across the nation. We are no longer teaching our kids fundamental ways to express themselves through art.

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      Scarlett 7 months ago

      @fosheet I am so excited for you and your painting, I think it is a wonderfully expressive medium! are you familiar with the concept of flow? There is a very good book on the matter by mihaly csikszentmihalyi. it is the process by where we become what we are doing? Do you feel as if you are in a state of flow when painting? I actually believe that the most positive results of anything, painting, dancing, singing, having a conversation come about when one or more of the parties is in a state of flow.

      I agree with what you say on the classism. not only do they not have the money, but do they have the thought, if they don’t know where their next meal is coming from.

      yes, to society allowing art to fall away, or is it that art is just changing? If it is changing, whose taste is it changing to suit? And, what are we making our children susceptible to when we place stem above the arts every time?

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      • fosheet 7 months ago

        @Scarlett it flows but it’s a hell of a long process because I don’t force it. I’m learning to let the perfectionist view go because it’s not gonna be exactly what I see, and that’s difficult to master.. or release rather.

        Art is changing, I’m just unsure how. I don’t look at art to judge or critique it. I look at it to see ways in which I can grow, I look for inspiration in others acrylics.

        This one took me the better part of 8 months to complete. I only painted when I felt loved to do so. It’s of my 3 dogs :smile:

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  3. barryjack 7 months ago

    I have signed up on the meetup site awhile back, but never actually see the emails. Either that or the events conflict with my schedule or lack-thereof.

    Art is open to interpretation for the most part. It can channel one idea or many. One viewer can see a painting of a hillside and think “nature” while another can see that hillside with its vibrant colors but a lack of people….and see “loneliness”. Those two can happen while the artist’s intent and inspiration could be a person they met somewhere.

    I like to think it means freedom of expression…but like anything….it can mean….anything to anyone. It can provide as griz said, a deeper understanding of oneself. It can help to provide a deeper understanding of others. It’s a quiet conversation. It’s someone’s heart thrown onto canvas, or paper, or a wall….or in your ears…on a screen….

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    • fosheet 7 months ago

      @barryjack I agree, music is the exact same thing. That’s why it hits so many people, throughout all walks of life, in all different emotions, at any given time!

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      Scarlett 7 months ago

      @barryjack that was some might fine poetry in it’s own right. One of the participants at the meetup stated that to him, life would not be worth living without art, and another woman was very surprised at such a statement. What do you think of a statement such as this? To me it only says the experience of art is a very subjective one.

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      • barryjack 7 months ago

        @Scarlett I agree with you that it is a subjective experience. It may make you feel something different than everyone else. It may not make you feel anything at all. I do feel that art in its many forms does add some much needed mmph to life. Being able to create in some form, no matter how good or bad it can turn out, is a rewarding and confidence building experience. I haven’t lived without some form of art in my senses, so I can’t say that it isn’t worth living without. A good meal….a good song…a good film…a good book…there’s so much of it.

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  4. ladybarbara 7 months ago

    In our house, the pictures painted by Immortal Pirate’s late wife, daughter, dogs (paw print images) are our art. Otherwise it is a collection of things that meant something in our lives that we hung up on the walls. The next art to go on the wall (I hope) is a rack to hold Immortal Pirate’s sword collection and for interest, his set of bagpipes could accent the grouping. Our house walls exhibit who we are.

    A few years back, Immortal Pirate built a pirate ship that takes up half of the dining room. 8 ft. long and 8 ft tall in full sails. When I added a dining room table to the room, I put it next to the ship and we have dinner at the ship-side. Cats roam the deck of the ship begging for bits of our dinner. That’s art to us yay-whose in the Arizona desert.

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  5. Yin 7 months ago

    I commented on a local news article this one time, and this random guy sends me a message. He has a Freethinkers group for my area and wanted to know if I’d be interested in it. Over the next couple of days, I thought about it. I ended up joining. I went to a few meetups, but it ultimately wasn’t my thing though I am still a member of the Facebook group. I’d probably be more willing is I was a more able person, but I just can’t currently.

    Art is important for society, but it doesn’t mean much if the foundation of the society around you is crumbling. It’d take some thinking though. You need the money for the city, but you also may never get those pieces back. If the city is really desperate, I understand the move. I’d rather sell that type of stuff than to cut funding to arts and recreational activities in schools. Kids need the engagement more than we’d need museums, especially since we have the internet and books that probably have pictures of most of these pieces.

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      Scarlett 7 months ago

      @Yin on the news article, it makes sense. free thinkers can always spot the others. when you went did you verbally join in, or observe?

      sell the art, bring more art into schools where the kids will make more great art.

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      • Yin 7 months ago

        @Scarlett Well, it took a couple of days since I had to think about it and ask some questions. I was scared it was an open group. Since it is Facebook, I didn’t want it to be open, I engage in it, and my family find out I’m an atheist. It is a closed and private group though. There was weeks there after I joined where I didn’t go. Finally had the courage to go (which I think they meet on Sundays either every week or just a few weeks of a month. I went. The first time though, it was only me and the guy who messaged me. The group was fairly new and he was trying to get it off the ground. The second, it was us two and this lawyer guy. Another time had this big bearded gun owner guy along with the other three. One other time, I think the lawyer guy missed it, but it was us three and some other people showed up for a few minutes who I noticed from a Facebook friend’s profile. Like, we were never friends, but he added me from someone else and I see him and the others interact with one another on it. There was one meetup where we had pizza and watched some video on that Freethinkers event that happened in Washington DC, which Adam Savage was at. They do movie nights here and there, which once was Wonder Woman. I never went after that first one though. I just feel out of place. Religious debate and whatnot just isn’t for me much anymore unless someone is using it to justify trash behavior. Also, since I don’t do much or have much life experience, I’m just really in the way. Like, I’m just sitting there listening to everyone. Basically how it goes down each time.

        Yea, that is what I’m saying. Invest in the now more than the past. Do both if possible, but now is so much more important.

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      • fosheet 7 months ago

        @Yin they have an office now…. Off Jackson over by the shoe trunk, if this is the same group you’re talking about. I’ve been meaning to drop by there but I haven’t caught anyone there when I passed

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      • Yin 7 months ago

        @fosheet I’m not sure it is, but it could be. I just know they have asked for donations for some ads on billboards and a road they do clean ups on, so I’m not sure where the office would have come from. The group I’m talking about has a private group and a public Facebook page. Alexandria Freethinkers. I don’t follow the public one though.

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      • fosheet 7 months ago

        @Yin oh yeah, it’s the same group, they have an office now

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      • Yin 7 months ago

        @fosheet Ah, alright. That’s awesome then. I’m happy the group got that far. I was worried there for a little bit, but they did seem to start picking up some people after a while.

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  6. luftballooneyegouge 7 months ago

    When I was a little tiny Eyegouge the local Hardees where we ate all our school lunches put up a sports photo gallery of sorts in the corner with antiquey looking pictures of old baseball players & leather helmet footsball dudes. The local movie theater used to have a hall with paintings you could buy back in thee olden 20th.

    I like painted train cars when you’re stuck at the crossing.

    Art’s a pain in the ass.

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