What is it bound by?

What boundaries can it transcend?

If you had a choice would you choose to be more limited or more unlimited?

What would the advantages and risks of each choice be?




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  1. Jear77 1 week ago

    Technically, from a linguistic standpoint humanity’s as a collective is virtually limitless… in *this* dimension. In reality there are hard and fast limits to our ability both individually and as a species due to our mortality. Until we are able to dimensionally travel these limits will be with us, as if technology is great enough perhaps we will be able to pierce the veil of mortality… or so says fantasy (Moore’s law: sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic).

    In regards to the question of more or less boundaries, it depends: if i had complete stability in health, finances, etc, etc, etc, i can do well with more limitations. But these would have to be infinitely hard and fast, never any alterations.

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      griz 7 days ago

      @Jear77
      Some good thoughts.
      But if physical death is a constant for everything why not treat it as such and let it cancel out for the sake of pondering Human potential? There’s also the historical reality that what one person starts, others build upon and perhaps finish. “Human potential” can exceed the individual.

      Many of what we now consider the laws of physics cannot be exceeded. So treat them also as a constant that cancels out for the sake of this exercise.
      BUT, also allow that we’ve been wrong about these “immutables” before as knowledge has increased. Often something is considered “impossible”, until someone who doesn’t limit their potential manages to do it!

      As for the “excluding limitations” mentioned: it would be wise to not confuse them with “excusing limitations” . . . as per the Stephen Hawking example I’ve given. He sure exceeded some perceived “excluding limitations”!

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      • Jear77 7 days ago

        @griz interestingly enough in the Yu-gi-oh dark dimensions movie, Kaiba used technology to travel to the Egyptian afterlife, giving up everything to be with his rival, pharoah Atem (basically bringing the movie full circle with the manga, before the pharoah did the mind crush on him). There are theories that in doing so, he actually died… or at least willingly stayed there. You’d have to watch the anime to understand.

        In any case, where we are wrong, wherr science is lacking, it will correct itself, that is the nature of science. Unfortunately, along with that process are lobbyists looking to promote their own agenda – for instance we have rge tech to run vehicles on water, but don’t do so because the oil lobby doesn’t want us to do so.

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        griz 6 days ago

        @Jear77
        I would point out that “Life” is pre-eminent over science.

        It will both pre- and post-exist once all Human knowledge has turned to dust. To presume that science will always triumph, is a supposition that even science itself predicts against.

        So we come back to proper (beneficial) meaning/attitude/focus being far more important to successfully navigating our small and limited “franchise” of life within the larger over-arching paradigm of LIFE in it’s grandest possible archetype.

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      • Jear77 6 days ago

        @griz maybe not, but don’t count it out. Maybe one day both religion and science will be so merged that we will have the ability to contact other dimensions with technology, which will mean that god, if it exists, will no longer be able to hide.

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        griz 6 days ago

        @Jear77
        Harkening to both the Biblical story and others from various cultures, it is not God who is hiding from us but more us hiding from God. (Didn’t A & E go and try to hide from God?).
        There’s also the notion that huge parts of Reality (both the tangible and intangible) need to be hidden from us behind abstraction to keep our minds from melting-down.

        If we keep our minds open and don’t try to blind ourselves with our own self-professed brilliance, the process of science (concrete objective axiomatics) and justifiable belief (of things still intangible to our current scientific understanding) DO move closer together into something resembling a unity.

        I personally find myself less and less “at odds” between scientific knowledge and understanding (which I love studying) and the justifiable belief in God as manifest in the process of my life.

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      • Jear77 6 days ago

        @griz well if that’s the case, maybe the entirety of existence needs a common melt down so we can start afresh.

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      • Jear77 7 days ago

        @griz the point I was making in regards to limitations is IBS. Doctors suggest that patients follow a low FODMAP diet. FODMAPs are low chain carbs that are poorly absorbed by the intestines, which when eaten creates gas, bloating, constipation, and/ or diarreah. The problem is that in order ro truly follow such a diet, is that it’s more restrictive than a Adkins and gluten allergen diet combined. I want flavorful foods… so i suffer.

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        griz 6 days ago

        @Jear77
        It comes down to the prices we’re willing to pay for what we want.

        And then a sober evaluation of of our “wants” and what positives they are netting us as offsets to the negatives.

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      • Jear77 6 days ago

        @griz the price would be to literally never eat anything made my another (including prepackaged food) in case of cross contamination. That is insane!

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        griz 6 days ago

        @Jear77
        So again, it’s just a cost-to-benefit ratio.

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      • Jear77 6 days ago

        @griz if i were independently wealthy, never having to work, it’d be no problem! Unfortunately, i wasn’t born with a silver spoon in my mouth.

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        griz 6 days ago

        @Jear77
        Any idea why you keep returning to just a commercial interpretation?

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      • Jear77 6 days ago

        @griz because complete economic freedom is the ultimate freedom there is. Duh!

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        griz 5 days ago

        @Jear77
        Can you cite any studies that prove this?
        (to borrow a page from your favorite book!)

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      • Jear77 5 days ago

        @griz the study called “the school of hard knocks.”

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        griz 5 days ago

        @Jear77
        Oh no!! Not the dreaded anecdotal evidence!! :frown:

        (You see, it does have a purpose — and “scientific study” cannot or has not been applied to “all”. Sometimes we have to refer to justifiable belief based on experience )

        But still, there would seem to be a LOT of anecdotal evidence indication that financial freedom is NOT true freedom.

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      • Jear77 5 days ago

        @griz and abject poverty, consisting of true starvation in a place that is undergoing a drought whereby nothing is growing, dehydration, nakedness, and complete lack of shelter is? Or what about rotting away in a jail cell, or confined to bed because of paralysis? People have gone through this in the past. Economic freedom allows most to escape such circumstances… even in the case of imprisonment sometimes.

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        griz 4 days ago

        @Jear77
        I always marvel at people from the richest Nations on the planet presuming to speak of abject poverty as if they were close friends with it!
        Comparative poverty set against the richest people on the planet is the best that most people in the West could comprehend.

        Ditto with some of the fattest people on the planet trying to ponder starvation.

        Or people who have never experienced paralysis. Or real prolonged drought without hope of FEMA happening by.

        Trying to build a rage construct out of experiences we have only the slightest inkling of only paints us as a virtue-signaling fool.

        Especially when there are millions upon millions of people who are intimate with these things and still find gratitude and that,k God for something so small and insignificant that we would walk by and trample it under foot while moaning about the poor unfortunates in the world.

        It’s time we retire such constructs of virtue signaling as the Fool’s fodder that they are.

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      • Jear77 4 days ago

        @griz FEMA can do nothing for drought, only flooding – the opposite! A year of a nation wide drought would have us at WWIII

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        griz 3 days ago

        @Jear77
        Still, foolish virtue-signalling.

        Chances are neither of us has experienced a life-threatening drought nor ever will without the safe-guards of an advanced society.

        So if people who are facing it are not cursing God, what large fools would we be for raging against God for it?

        There’s no scenario where virtue-signalling doesn’t render us the ignorant fool.

        (That works equally well for SJW’s raging against things they’ve only imagined they’ve experienced)

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      • Jear77 3 days ago

        @griz you don’t know what people do *inside* their heads. The mouth may say X, but the brain and the heart may say Y or Z!

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        griz 3 days ago

        @Jear77
        Neither do you.

        To presume the worst that you are presuming as what they must be doing, is where virtue-signaling falls flat on its face.

        All it takes is just one person of genuine suffering who is reaching for a slightly higher ideal than ourselves, to render us the worst kind of presumptuous self-righteous schmucks.

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      • Jear77 3 days ago

        @griz once again… you’re talking to someone who is a self proclaimed hypocrite… so you think tbat matters in the least to me? Hell fucking no!

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        griz 2 days ago

        @Jear77
        Negative virtue-signaling is still the same creature.

        Just more wretched.

        Neither is a well-formed strategy for dealing with human consciousness.

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      • Jear77 2 days ago

        @griz your 1st sentence was a random series of words without meaning…

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        griz 2 days ago

        @Jear77
        The proclamation that one is lacking virtues is the same ego management ploy worn backwards.

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      • Jear77 2 days ago

        @griz not really. The hypocrite is infinitely adaptable, whereas the person who has worked to currate a carefully crafted appearance… or ecen a true self must continue to work at it. I’m free to do what i want and not care what it looks like. Who has thevmost to lose? The person who says that they strive(s) for, and for the most part achieves perfection, or the person who realizes at day’s end nothing matters?

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        griz 2 days ago

        @Jear77
        I’m really starting to wonder about this Zeal to devalue degrade and now demoralize yourself into a lesser creature.

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      • Jear77 1 day ago

        @griz lesser? This is exactly what the bible says when it states we are sinners. Hey, but i’m only showing you the folly of that belief

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        griz 1 day ago

        @Jear77
        What else does it say?

        It seems to me I said something similar to this all those years (decades?) ago when we first met on Soul pancake. You were just pulling out the parts that you thought you could use.

        The Folly is in thinking one can use God or money or scientism or rational thought to try to leverage reality to one’s own wishes.

        Your original spiritual venture failed because this attitude was not mastered and became the enslaving master.

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      • Jear77 1 day ago

        @griz we need salvation? That is stupid, and contrary to common sense. Either we are worthy of good things, and have inherent nobility, thus salvation is completely unnecessary… or sin was what caused man to “grow up,” and it’s evil for god to hold us growing up against us … or we are totally wretched and there can be nothing the concept of salvation of meaningless, because we will always be evil. Choose.

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        griz 18 hours ago

        @Jear77
        Of course we do.
        Particularly those locked in prisons of resentment arrogance and self-deceit. We are our own jailer and worst enemy — authors of our own living hell.

        A presenting point of common sense must be that despite rather similar religious and personal experience we each of us now bear stark and blatant contrast in attitude, outlook and the ability to accept manifest reality.

        One of us acknowledges and participates in Salvation; the other does not.
        One of us participates in opportunities; the other reaches farther and farther into the extremes for excuses.
        One of us is at peace with life whatever it may present; the other is at odds and has abandoned all hope of meaning.
        One of us grows in peace and the other in resentment.

        We both know what self-deceit must say about this.

        But what must Common Sense say about it?

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      • Jear77 18 hours ago

        @griz common sense says that if sin was the trigger, the first dominoe to have mankind grow up… any parent that would eternally punish (or even temporarily punish) his/ her children for doing the exact thing s/he wanted, i.e. grow up is evil. A god that didn’t want the option of mankind growing up needn’t have placed something so that it would be a possibility to begin with.

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        griz 16 hours ago

        @Jear77
        For now the focus needs to be not the rationalized trigger, excuse or rationalization process but the end result.

        If the end result is more bitter resentment and self-deception, attitude and outlook have been poisoned.

        That means any assessment of Truth or benefit will be likewise poisoned.

        This is what we need to be saved from.

        How things “should have been” in prehistory, is just a silly dodge. (Which ultimately just caters to one’s own greater glory. Deferring on responsibility and accountability for one’s own self all the way back to the dawn of human consciousness . . . Is only for the glory of one’s own ego in the moment.)

        For the record I know that demolishing these constructs is uncomfortable. But part of growing up is letting the childish constructs fall away so more mature ones can take their place.

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      • Jear77 15 hours ago

        @griz all these conversations merged…

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        griz 10 hours ago

        @Jear77
        A good indication of a common causality.

        Address it, and 3 issues (and perhaps more) are resolved.

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