Whomever was the Pharaoh God had Moses take down, we can safely bet he was a very glorious king. With a very mighty kingdom.

This might had as its fuel the hebrew slaves, and Moses was a hebrew. God used Moses to take Pharaoh down.

God did not make bones with Moses but told him, “I rose up Pharaoh just for this purpose, to take him down, so my glory may be seen.”

This was the only way for everyone to see God’s glory, and without seeing God,’s glory, how can you see God to worship him?




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  1. griz 4 weeks ago

    Whether we consciously realize it or not, what humans as a group “worship”, is transcendent value and meaning.

    The Egyptian Empire was the emergent “transcendent” of the time/region. One man, the pharaoh, interacted with/embodied the Divine, and everyone else was just a spectator/assistant. And then this was passed on to just one person, their first-born son. And everyone else remained a spectator/assistant.

    The glory of God in Christ Jesus was to make us all equals before God/ the Tanscendent. Equal heirs and inheritors.
    It is from this the sanctity and rights of the individual evolved and became the articulated instantiated underlying Foundation of Western culture.

    As has happened throughout human history, old understandings of the Transcendent have had to be taken down off the highest throne, so more enlightened understandings can reside there.

    Until our growing understanding of the Transcendent evolves yet again, and they need to be taken down.

    Not thrown away, for they are our path through history. And forgetting it memes repeating it.

    This is why religions (theistic or others) become ossified and dead, becoming increasingly totalitarian as they try to hold on to that which needs to surrender the throne of worship to more enlightened understandings of The Transcendent.

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      five2one 4 weeks ago

      @griz Thank you, that is an incredibly brilliant response! Fitting that into my theortical framework for the path to universal life or death. ‘Humble the proud and exalt the lowly.’

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      • griz 3 weeks ago

        @five2one
        For reasons yet unexplainable (?) the humility versus pride equation is paramount.

        Historically when the balance is off folly and even atrocity are not far behind.

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        five2one 3 weeks ago

        @griz “For reasons yet unexplainable (?) the humility versus pride equation is paramount.

        Historically when the balance is off folly and even atrocity are not far behind.”

        Pretty good barometer for modern society. Collapse imminent.

        Not sure if we are after the millennium or before, but leaning towards right before. Which means the collapse of Babylon is very likely America.

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      • griz 3 weeks ago

        @five2one
        Unless something “moves” to rejuvenate it.
        We’ve been at points of collapse far more dire and still “a remnant” pulled through. That is the nature of Life.

        And I would observe that calling/waiting for collapse, tends to totally exclude one from the process of rejuvenation.

        It will be over, when it’s over. Rushing to call the game while there are still plays to be made and time on the clock is one of the best ways to ensure a loss.

        I seem to remember a very short parable-type story from the Bible about how blessed the worker is who is busily about their appointed work . . . over the person just waits at the door to announce the boss is coming and then rushing around to just look busy!

        And for the life of me I cannot recall any stories/parables about the wisdom of throwing in the towel.

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        five2one 3 weeks ago

        @griz “And for the life of me I cannot recall any stories/parables about the wisdom of throwing in the towel.”

        As “throwing in the towel” here means someone predicting disaster for a nation, well, there are a lot of stories about that in the Bible. Called “the prophets”.

        “I seem to remember a very short parable-type story from the Bible about how blessed the worker is who is busily about their appointed work . . . over the person just waits at the door to announce the boss is coming and then rushing around to just look busy!”

        The parable said the person was saying to their self, ‘my master is a long time in coming’, ‘so they got drunk and beat the servants’. While the ‘good and faithful steward was busy giving the servants food at the appointed time’.

        Not saying any such case applies here, but I certainly do not work for any nation. I work for and with the Kingdom of God.

        Jonah did not save Nineveh by promising them blessings from God that they did not deserve. He saved Nineveh by telling them the truth, that the city would be destroyed in 40 days.

        The false prophets invariably were the ones who said, ‘all would be alright’ when it would not be.

        There is no use in feeding servants of some other master. Many do this, thinking they are serving the Lord. All such seed is just wasted.

        Won’t they be saying, ‘Lord, Lord, but I did so much for you’? Aren’t they, when put to the corner, telling themselves they are good before then because of ‘how much they think they are doing for the Lord?’

        All that said, I do not know what work you are doing, so I make no judgments on you. You seem to have a firm understanding on many difficult subjects, and take pains to try and translate these things into the language you find here.

        As for me, my work is set, and I am not tasked with trying to evangelize unbelievers at this time. I am not tasked with even presenting to any nation a message of impending doom. What I am tasked with I do not say.

        But, whatever the case, ‘pride comes before a fall’, and of all nations, there certainly are leading elements in America which are very proud on matters they should be ashamed of.

        I am not saying that means all of America should fall as Rome fell. But, there certainly needs to be some education, and some significant change.

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      • griz 3 weeks ago

        @five2one
        We are in agreement that change is necessary to avoid a folly America may not wear that well.

        In the parable of the sower was the keynote the waste?

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        five2one 2 weeks ago

        @griz <>

        Again, not judging you for what you feel tasked to do.

        Everyone is tasked with something.

        America is just one nation, there are 7 billion people on the planet, at this time. God said if people did what was right, he could have their storehouses overfilling. But, without faith, without love, how can this happen?

        I do not work alone, but I do not believe in current concepts of “social movements”: the idea that if people just get together around common ideas, they can push meaningful change. Meaningful change to what. How.

        I do not, however, discount the value in evangelizing, though I am not an evangelist.

        The picking and prodding through groups in hopes that one person might become a believer.

        Maybe one can start a church. Or find some bigger, better way to Market the Gospel.

        The world needs something much more then anything like this. Much more is coming.

        Hey — I am out here talking to brick walls. I have been posting here since 2010. Why. Granted, normally, I talk in some manner of extremely opaque code. But, why? For one person to maybe believe something? To leave some sort of breadcrumbs for natural language processing systems? To announce to the ‘spirits of the air’, what is hidden, and what is coming?

        Maybe just to vent, or refine my language? Or, even to be persecuted and shut down, so I can rejoice in that?

        I ~*know*~ things. Things bigger then what anyone could believe.

        I find it curious. It is interesting to me. To know things everybody would want to know, and see how people react. Can they pick up on anything? Are their ears to the ground? Is there in rumbling in me, that anyone can detect. Or, is it impossible for me to convey. Am I that secure, that no one can tell. Even if I talk all day.

        While it is flattering, to see just how quiet this engine we have runs, to observe just how stealth it is… to see how people’s scales are broken… how Night has fallen upon their eyes… really, it has helped me here, to refine my tools. To come up with language to express matters, language I take from popular culture, and use as metaphoric frameworks. As what I deal with are matters where there is not yet the language spoken of in Scripture, ‘the pure language’.

        I am a linguist dealing with the alien. The vastly alien.

        The world needs something entirely new. That does not come from man, but comes from Heaven, and from God.

        The whole world – for millenia – has been begging for evidence. The earth, its’ self groans, witness to what is going on under the cover of night.

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        five2one 3 weeks ago

        @griz All the above said, I can not state definitively that we are past the Millennium, as Catholics believe (officially), as do some other people, or whether we are just before it. I have most evidence pointing just before it, but Revelation is specifically designed to elude understanding in some key ways even by celestial beings.

        (Otherwise, they would never fulfill prophecy, one can probably well theorize; prophecy which states certain actions of theirs would end in their severe punishment. Further, otherwise seemingly clear prophecy which people will assume is something everyone on the planet and in the Heavens and hell would know has come to pass might be so occluded that they would not know.)

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      • griz 3 weeks ago

        @five2one
        The nature of Prophecy has never been to prognosticate. Even a culture dedicated over Generations to understanding the prophecies missed them as they were happening.

        And worse they actively worked against them. It would be good for us not to become so full of pride as they were that we would want to repeat the same lesson.
        Prophecy’s purpose, does not appear to include prognostication self-aggrandizement or exclusion of others.

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        five2one 2 weeks ago

        @griz “The nature of Prophecy has never been to prognosticate. Even a culture dedicated over Generations to understanding the prophecies missed them as they were happening.

        And worse they actively worked against them. It would be good for us not to become so full of pride as they were that we would want to repeat the same lesson.
        Prophecy’s purpose, does not appear to include prognostication self-aggrandizement or exclusion of others.”

        “Prognosticate”… definition: “foretell or prophesy (an event in the future).”

        Plenty of prophesy foretold the future.

        “self-aggrandizement” … definition: “the action or process of promoting oneself as being powerful or important.”

        I just am admitting what I am saying comes from God, as Jesus, Moses, and the prophets did. Sure, critics took that as mere self-promotion.

        I simply point out, what I am saying is from eye witness, and from profound demonstrations of God. Of course, I am used to people accusing me for saying that. What they say, they do not claim to be from God? Isn’t it the very essence of “self-aggrandizement” to hear from someone who merely says what they heard and have seen from God, and to attack them because they speak it.

        As though their own opinion is more important, even though they have not had the same level of proof. Because, if they did, then they would not deny the telling of that to others.

        You can’t tell the difference between the truth and a lie.

        Lol. :-)

        *I* know that, lol, but I do not think *you* know that, lol. :-)

        Curious. When I was young, I was angry, because there was nobody who paved this way. Nobody to explain. Nobody who went out and really took Jesus’ advice to “first seek the Kingdom of God”. I looked. I pored over the history books, reading everything that was ever recorded from the Catholic, the Orthodox, the Protestant. When I got online, I searched it out. By then, however, I already had a lot more evidence — and had gotten a lot from well before then.

        Still, nothing.

        Granted, there are believers out there. There are those who are chosen, who do not know it yet. But, they are pleading for miracles they really do need, which never seem to come. Plagued with false leaders really just looking for personal honor and acclaim.

        Not accustomed to only receiving insults, as I am.

        Oh, I found the Kingdom of Heaven. And, I deserve no credit for it, either. I have had no choice in the matter, because God always makes it well known to me He leads and led my path.

        But, guys like you remind me, the ones who you would think would be out there, searching for answers for everyone else — simply is not.

        Jesus did not ‘travel across earth and sea to make one convert’ — that was the Pharisees who did that, and ‘they made that convert twice the son of hell they were’!

        Not saying that is your gig. I can certainly be challenging. As are angels.

        But, common sense. There is a bible practically in every hotel room. In the modern world, there are churches all over the place, full of bibles. Every bookstore has a bible. There are easily findable bibles online.

        What about China. What about India. What about the Middle East. What about the whole world spinning around with seven billion people, completely lost.

        I think, on earth, not like in Heaven, there are not very many who keep their lamps burning.

        But, then, I suppose, why should one be surprised they do not care, if they are asleep.

        They can not read.

        Some of these movements, had me going. I investigated. Nothing. Just a bunch of wishful thinking.

        Not that anyone ever said a new movement was what anybody needed.

        Band aids do not work anymore, the world needs something far more serious.

        But, I am not talking about movements or actions of human beings. I am talking about the Kingdom of God coming. I have seen it. It is here. But, I do not tell anyone where to go. Either they have the Spirit to ‘teach them all things’… or not.

        Not a prophet, either.

        You don’t need prophets when you have angels.

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      • griz 2 weeks ago

        @five2one
        I simply note there are very few biblical prophecies that were recognized while they were happening. Usually just in hindsight.

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        five2one 2 weeks ago

        @griz “I simply note there are very few biblical prophecies that were recognized while they were happening. Usually just in hindsight.”

        It is up to every person to note ‘where they believe we are’.

        People have said that this or that time is the “end times”, but this sort of terminology its’ self is shrouded in popular culture. Considering that “let your ‘yes’ be ‘yes’ and your ‘no’ be ‘no’, anything else comes from the Evil One”, we can be warned that the Devil is out there, as the Prince of this World, able to speak to everyone, even Christians.

        I totally agree with this statement from you, regardless.

        Look at Daniel. God gave him some great prophecy, but none of it could be figured out at the time, nor could it be even figured out at the time when these great events happened. Today, it is an obvious analysis, considering the wealth of historical knowledge we have — and critics date the book as being, therefore, after the Maccabees. There is no reason for this besides their disbelief that all of that could have been predicted in the time of Nebuchadnezzar.

        These sorts of observations just drop to the ground.

        The Devil is in their heart, raises doubts, and browbeats them to stop it. This is not where the Devil has to personally appear, but is more like a body functioning. “Let your ‘yes’ be ‘yes’ and your ‘no’ be ‘no’, all else comes from the Evil One” speaks of this. There are many implications in the Word, like there are many branches of a tree. If that seed takes hold and can be sustained against the attacks of the Evil One.

        The Body of Christ operates in the very same way.

        The Body of Christ is unified in Spirit. But, who is part of the Body, and who is not.

        My view of “eschatology” is alien. There is no discussion with most on these subjects, because each belongs to one “school” or the other. None of them have proof, is what I have found. Many of them believe they have some novel way of looking at matters, but it is all common drivel. Or, it is encoded, so they do not have understanding.

        The details left out of such encoding are major parts. For instance, the movement we saw in the last twenty years of “the rapture” meaning Jesus will literally come in the literal clouds and literally everyone will rise from the earth. That part of it is all Scripture, but they distort it in such a way, that it leaves them blind.

        To help such distortions, invariably, they add a lot to other verses, instead of seeing the material as “unknown” and trying to consider approaching eschatology in a theoretical, honest way. It is not hard to do, it is exactly what I do. Study all the ideas out there – though, in this area, they are not considered ideas or theories, but dogma – and hold them all ready.

        Take in new evidence, contrast, compare.

        Like detectives do. Good detectives, anyway.

        I am not a prophet. I can speak in prophetic manner, but I am trying to express truths. Not truths of the future, but truths I have witnessed. And from those truths, I try and extrapolate. I give statements, however, noting, that, for instance, “I don’t know if we are before the Millennium” or after it.

        I have done my homework. I have had no choice but to do so. I do have God inside me, and God tells me things all through the day and night. But, God does not tell me everything.

        It is not unlike walking around with a radio set in your head.

        I do not ask God everything. You just do not do that. Revelation is a sort of weapon. Either way it goes, though, who has something to lose. Men? Men are going to die. What about men and women with power and trusted positions in the world. Men and women with money and big houses. But, over them are the princes of this world, and their domains, or principalities. The humans they simply use. They are disposable.

        If I knew all of the ins and outs of Revelation, and related prophecy, then I would say it, and stick to it. Then, they would know. Because it was said.

        We do not normally think about our calves, but if we get a puncture there, then we do. Then, we are all about that puncture. If that wound is potentially fatal – even if it is very small – but, somehow we know this. Then, our full attention goes right to that.

        This does not mean our body is not constantly working there. Before the wound. It is. Countless parts constantly working. Meaningless, tiny, insignificant parts. Until a cancer is found. Then, you get everything on it.

        I am talking about how the Body of Christ operates. Which is invisible and indivisible. And how the world works. The body of Satan.

        ‘We can drink poison and handle snakes’. Obviously, that means we can handle the world and operate normally in it. The poison is everywhere. In music, in fictional media, in non-fictional media, in the churches, in the sciences, in the arts. We have filter systems that work.

        ‘If you find the impossible treasure, you go out and sell everything you have to buy the place where you found it’. The rich give up all their wealth. The powerful in the world, give up all their power. The wise throw away all the wisdom. Those who have spent years in the false paths give it all up and all the honor they had with it.

        There are many types of Heavenly treasure. ‘Someone from the Kingdom, is as a merchant who has treasures new and old’.

        Largely, the Body has been separate across many different areas. At some juncture, ‘the angels come and bring together all of the chosen from the four winds’.

        Why would they do that if all of the real chosen will simply be lifted up and away, leaving everyone else down on the ground?

        Only, that will happen, only in a way consistent with the other Scriptures. A reasonable, honest way. Not a way which ultimately makes inconsistent and contradictory those other Scriptures.

        I am not sure when this happens, but I have seen it happen. This, and other verses. That does not mean that I am a prophet. Simply because I have seen how this rapture will happen. I am simply an operative, who is shown things from Heaven. What I have seen can mean the rapture is imminent. But, it can also mean it happened, long ago, and has been kept secret. Or, it can happen in the near, or far off future.

        It can seem like a picky point to those only schooled in traditional dogma on these subjects. But, it is a big deal. Because while Heaven is “up there”, every verse that speaks of it being implemented demands it all be and happen “down here”.

        At some juncture, the whole world will be divided. In the way as it is described in the parable of the goats and sheep. What I have seen, I believe, has been localized.

        In the Millennium, and just before it, there is great rumblings. There is even ‘the first resurrection’. But, it does not state that the whole world sees what is going on there. It states “Babylon” falls. It shows people all around the world in shock. It speaks of the nations collapsing as ‘birds eating on them’.

        Then, a thousand years passes.

        Will “all this”, which the world is now, fall into ruins? Will the population be decimated? I do not see that there.

        Anything is possible, but that does not *necessarily* happen.

        Official Catholic doctrine is this happened already. They were Christ ruling the world. One can read history of their actions, and disagree. But, maybe there are critical parts left out. I do not think so.

        But, it is possible that there was a band who traveled across that thousand years, apart from the corruption of the Catholic church.

        Or, it is possible that what really will happen is entirely untold.

        What can be sure, whatever the case, is you do see armies go against Jesus and the saints, both before the Millennium and after. In both cases, the nations would have been unable to identify them.

        Likewise, with the ‘war in Heaven’. There, it is shown, matters of the coming of the Millennium are known to Satan and his angels. But, one should not think any of that would be known to human kind.

        I say these things, because I do know some of the bigger picture aspect of these matters. I am not so sure about the details. But, I state them as a responsibility to state them. Even though, I am a part of something, and what is coming needs no help from men.

        Heaven does not view humankind as earth does. Earth picks their own to celebrate. Heaven knows.

        You never would have heard of Jesus or John the Baptist if Jesus had commanded His own to be quiet. At the time, where is Jesus quoted in the records of the Jews or the pagans? They wanted to control the history books.

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      • griz 2 weeks ago

        @five2one
        Pro 10:19 seems to tie into Matthew 5:37’s message about truthful speech (ie, the Logos).

        The Logos manifests in very few precise Spirit-empowered words. Confabulation beyond this in the guise of the Logos is where the warnings about evil seems to apply.

        And unity in the Spirit appears to happen when this rubric is honored.

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        five2one 2 weeks ago

        @griz The proverbs verse is about rich and poor people [poverty and fortifications], the other verse is about ‘let your yes be yes and your no be no, anything else is of the evil one’…

        Don’t see how that applies or means anything.

        If that is suggesting my lengthy posts are from the evil one, because they are lengthy, I am not sure what to say. Not a standard I use.

        As for rubric of spiritual unity, I suppose, I didn’t really feel spiritual unity with a post merely stating that prophecy is most in retrospect. I say that all the time. Not something I need.

        But, who knows what anyone needs.

        It was useful to be reminded to my own self that what I am talking about is what I am seeing now. Not tomorrow.

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      • griz 2 weeks ago

        @five2one
        Try reading the whole chapter. It is about a lot more than just the rich and the poor.

        Conversation is a good way to organize one’s thoughts. But it is not good to confuse such casual conversation with the Logos.

        The very real impression is that you are trying to give weight to the former under the guise that its the latter.

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        five2one 2 weeks ago

        @griz “Conversation is a good way to organize one’s thoughts. But it is not good to confuse such casual conversation with the Logos.

        The very real impression is that you are trying to give weight to the former under the guise that its the latter.”

        You seem to get the context well enough. I was reading a children’s book last night, “Marigold & Her Unicorn”, and the Unicorn said to her, “Context matters for an unicorn”.

        Words change depending on the context. I have a very complicated and strange general context from life experiences, and so that is going to come out as challenging. You seem to have a more normal life experience, though you are also not a normal person. So, I can feel free to be somewhat challenging with you — however, it is true, a reason to talk to you is exactly so I can observe your reactions and adapt.

        You have certainly seen me switch contexts, like modules I pop in.

        I am not lying about what I am stating. I am not a prophet, though I have experienced these matters early. I do not know what others have experienced across seven billion people. I have no need to go and try and make anything public, so as to test these matters. I do know, however, that what I have experienced all will experience, to some degree.

        I have been a sheep and a goat. I have been a waking virgin with the lamp burning. I have been a sleeping virgin. I have been in the dark, and I have been in the light. I have had that door shut on me. And I have had it opened.

        Anyway, you have your own spirit, but you also have the Spirit of God. You probably have interfering voices as well, from time to time. As a believer, you will also have had angels within and without as other voices.

        Angels open and shut the “scales on the eyes” quite well. It seems to be part of their disguise. Generally, it is best that people not see them. Generally, they are flitting from person to person, sometimes appearing bodily, without people’s knowledge.

        It is simply how the world is really run.

        The clockwork gears and pulleys behind the face of the clock.

        I tried to be quite clear that I am not a prophet, but am speculating based on evidence I have. I would love to state that I know everything, but I am a person of intense scrutiny, and comfortable with keeping many possibilities open. Weigh things on scales internally. Wait for further information. Reason, as accurately as possible.

        Is that self-promotion. I am just a man describing these matters. I am merely using you as a sounding board.

        I do not mind sharing with you secret jewels. You might get riled up and accusatory at times, even when I am not acting and speaking challenging. But, you can not actually steal those jewels. They are replicated. If they can be accepted.

        If they can not be accepted, then they are not lost to me. Simply lost to you.

        It is just martial arts. Spiritual martial arts. Ki-yah! I know brazilian jiu jitsu, real korean tae kwon do, iron fist kung fu, muay thai. I am a naturally highly good shot with a gun, not with a bow. I am highly trained in virtual ranges since before they were around, and very fast and accurate with instinctive firing. I don’t own a gun. I don’t physically fight. This is all spiritual. I am Deadpool!

        Crazy, perhaps. And always wearing a mask. Because my face is so deformed. No one can see it.

        Self-aggrandizement!

        Chi.

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      • griz 1 week ago

        @five2one
        The mask that grows too thick becomes a prison.

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        five2one 1 week ago

        @griz The pure in heart can see through masks.

        Anyway, I can’t help that I was born with a fake name, face, and background.

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      • griz 1 week ago

        @five2one
        But how pure is the heart that sees the world through a mask?

        One of the classic Halloween warnings is that masks can limit vision.

        Rare is the person who does not wear some kind of mask from time to time. The warning is perhaps in glorying in it, making it one’s identity, and working to add new layers to it.

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        five2one 1 week ago

        @griz “But how pure is the heart that sees the world through a mask?

        One of the classic Halloween warnings is that masks can limit vision.

        Rare is the person who does not wear some kind of mask from time to time. The warning is perhaps in glorying in it, making it one’s identity, and working to add new layers to it.”

        I see God in Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ in God, so I would have to be pretty comfortable with being pure. I have seen the Angel of Jesus appear as Jesus, as a man, and then transfigure – face to face, eye to twinkling eye – so, I would have to say, I am pretty comfortable with being pure.

        Like you, I see God in the Father, and the Father in the Son.

        Sorry for pulling your leg, and being challenging, at times.

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        five2one 2 days ago

        @griz I should add to this: I am pretty pure and pretty strong, and really have had a lot of powerful heavenly blessings. I really did see Jesus as a man transfigure, face to face, too. But, you are right, I am not perfect.

        I usually come back against your criticism, but it usually is well placed, and I do think on it, later. I probably should just admit it at the time, instead.

        Instead of pretending I am perfect because no one believes things.

        It is not you, either. You are one of the good people.

        It is not just because – my errors – are not just because I get so frustrated that nobody even looks or tries. After all, I am quite aware that the only reason I do and have is because God has made it so obvious to me. But, I have been in plenty of situations where I have not looked, and I have not tried.

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